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Saw a sign on the door to Starbucks today..."Masks are optional for fully vaccinated customers".
Everyone that I saw going in still had masks on, and I assume at least some of them are vaccinated.
I think that there's more going on here than just people hesitant about the safety of taking off their masks. In my area, indoor mask-wearing is pretty universal, and previous to this CDC guidance, there would be outrage if someone took off their mask in a store.
I think people are afraid of being stared at, dirty looks, etc. Short of screaming, "I'M VACCINATED!" when you walk into a store, no one knows if that's the case, or if you're some anti-vax, virus-denying nutjob. I know it would make me self-conscious if I were the only person without a mask.14 -
Considering this posting from the FDA, I think that wearing masks a bit longer is worthy. At leas it is for me and my husband.
Don't rely on antibody tests to determine if you're immune to Covid-19, FDA warns
The US Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday issued a “safety communication” to remind Americans that SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests should not be used to evaluate whether someone is protected – or immune – from infection. SARS-CoV-2 is the name of the virus that causes Covid-19."
“The FDA is reminding the public of the limitations of COVID-19 antibody, or serology, testing and providing additional recommendations about the use of antibody tests in people who received a COVID-19 vaccination,” Dr. Tim Stenzel, director of the FDA’s Office of In Vitro Diagnostics and Radiological Health, said in a statement.
"Antibody tests can play an important role in identifying individuals who may have been exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus and may have developed an adaptive immune response. However, antibody tests should not be used at this time to determine immunity or protection against COVID-19 at any time, and especially after a person has received a COVID-19 vaccination," the statement added."
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-05-19-21/h_da08c24fedcbe37253022f507dca27662 -
I think masks in indoor public spaces makes sense. I already hadn't been wearing one in my private office at work (putting it on for more public areas), and I think we are going mask optional since everyone I work with has been vaccinated. For the building itself I think it's still required and so far it seems to be in all stores I've been to. I was told today that my gym is going mask optional if you are vaxxed. I'm going to pilates there tomorrow, so will be curious to see how many are wearing vs not.5
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Just got my 2nd vax this morning (Moderna.) Wow, that's a monster sore arm, but otherwise feeling great (I had symptoms for the first round, but nothing much this time other than the arm.) I'm feeling so good, I'm about to leave for a run! ⭐5
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ISuzySunshine99 wrote: »Saw a sign on the door to Starbucks today..."Masks are optional for fully vaccinated customers".
Everyone that I saw going in still had masks on, and I assume at least some of them are vaccinated.
I think that there's more going on here than just people hesitant about the safety of taking off their masks. In my area, indoor mask-wearing is pretty universal, and previous to this CDC guidance, there would be outrage if someone took off their mask in a store.
I think stores should just keep the mask rules in place. I feel like those people who are unvaxed and don't plan to will go into stores without masks. Stores won't be able to check if each patron not wearing a mask is vaxed. I hope we don't have a resurgence of cases because of the relaxed mask rules.8 -
Although most stores here (Iowa) have signs saying mask optional if fully vaxxed , in the stores I have been in (including Costco) most people were wearing masks. We have pretty good vaccination rate, too.4
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Lamiller1962. Here in the UK we have the Indian variant taking over in the number of active cases. First it was in Lancashire above Manchester and parts of London. It seems its a more easily spread version. The authorities are taking drastic action. Post code surge testing along with open vaccination centres for those who refused the vaccine or did not have time when first offered. The persons in our hospitals now who are suffering from covid are those very people who did not have time in their busy lives for the vaccine.
You must like to gamble with your and others lives. Its selfish to expect nurses and doctors to put their lives at risk to look after you, at your time of need. Even when vaccinated they are at higher risk of going down with it. A young first responder, friend of a granddaughter, 23 with all her life ahead of her in which to do good things, was very ill with her second contamination. Guess what, she is back on the front line because, Other lives Matter too.
Last night others areas were added to the postcode surge testing and open vaccination will be in hand if its not already. There are a smattering of cases all through our country. I'm watching out for cases starting in my county and to see if the numbers in the county next door rise and how the persons do.
BTW, I've worn various high filtering masks when out over the years because I react to the off gassing of perfumes, laundry products and the like. I nearly passed out when I visited somewhere where someone was using wood varnish. No using masks is not a sign of living in fear its a responsible action be it from self protection or community compassion. (others use similar masks to mine to keep petrochemicals from their lungs)
Thanks to the poster above who gave the link to the statistics. It really helps to know.
Regrettably there are many persons who thought they were above it all who, when push came to shove, facing their end, tried to get the message out, its much worse than flu, and please moderate your behaviour, because they knew they had risked all that was dear.14 -
Update from regional South Australia.
Pfizer now available from our local hospital for eligible people under 50 - those with high risk medical conditions and health workers and front line workers: police etc.
AZ continues to be available from hospital and approved Dr's surgeries.
- for everyone over 50.
apparently Moderna will be avialable in Australia soon too.13 -
paperpudding wrote: »at this stage nobody under 16, for starters.
Actually, here they are vaxxing people 12 and over now.
But I agree with your broader point.0 -
Yesterday I got to take my 82 year old vaccinated (and masked) father out for a drive in my new truck. First time I've taken him out since last March. Fortunately he's a retired physicist and very much a man of science so he's been diligently following all safety measures.16
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In two weeks our office will have 80% of the employees fully vaccinated. So they are working on a "reentry plan" for everyone working from home. The GM stressed not everyone is coming back in and many will have a hybrid schedule, some days home, some days in the office. I get the impression they want to remain flexible in case something goes wrong and there is another spike or some other unforeseen development. Those who haven't shown proof of vaccination will need to continue to wear a mask until some point in the future.
Virginia ended the state mask mandate last week, but most stores still have masks required. The state is set to end occupancy restrictions I think the first week of June, so I guess that includes restaurants and bars. I see very few people outside wearing masks now (which is a change) but inside stores still most people are wearing masks so far.
If someone new joins this thread with a post that is against the rules and doesn't forward the discussion, I'd suggest ignoring them or at least not quoting them. No reason to preserve a copy of the post after it's been deleted by mods. We and the mods have done a pretty amazing job at keeping this thread a valuable source of info and support17 -
steffi1686 wrote: »ISuzySunshine99 wrote: »Saw a sign on the door to Starbucks today..."Masks are optional for fully vaccinated customers".
Everyone that I saw going in still had masks on, and I assume at least some of them are vaccinated.
I think that there's more going on here than just people hesitant about the safety of taking off their masks. In my area, indoor mask-wearing is pretty universal, and previous to this CDC guidance, there would be outrage if someone took off their mask in a store.
I think stores should just keep the mask rules in place. I feel like those people who are unvaxed and don't plan to will go into stores without masks. Stores won't be able to check if each patron not wearing a mask is vaxed. I hope we don't have a resurgence of cases because of the relaxed mask rules.
Though private business can implement their own policies, a requirement would be difficult when state and local governments are dropping mask mandates and when that is also in line with CDC recommendations. We would be right back to people berating minimum wage employees just trying to do their job...and it would be worse, because the requirement wouldn't line up with the lack of government mandates and CDC recommendations.
We have overall done very well here in NM with this whole thing and are 2nd in per capita population in the US that is fully vaccinated. We've had a statewide mask mandate in effect since April 2020 and it was just lifted last Friday. Most business have or are in the process of changing their signage from "required" to "strongly encouraged" whether vaccinated our not. I was out and about a lot last weekend running errands and most people were still wearing their masks indoors. I would imagine that will slowly start change, but we've been generally pretty cautious here and I don't think many feel comfortable just flipping a switch here. People will watch and observe and see where the trend goes over the coming few weeks. We are mostly open with some capacity restrictions still in place, but we were under some of the most strict restrictions in the country for most of this thing and nobody wants to go back to that.4 -
Whoa, things have been happening here.
@lemurcat2 I’m a lawyer too, and have never needed a notary for anything here in Finland. You need some sort of authorized confirmation to buy or sell land (real estate), but that’s it. Usually if a legal document needs to be authorized or confirmed, any two legally independent adults can sign witness to prove that you have willingly and knowingly signed the document. These witnesses can be any adults who don’t have a conflict of interest in the matter - for example, prenuptial agreements need such witnesses here to be valid, so our lawyer best man and lawyer maid of honor witnessed our signatures and then we took them out for drinks. No notary services needed.
Everyone is of course free to choose their own vaccinations, but with each new variant that pops up because the epidemic keeps spreading there’s a good chance it will be untreatabe or the vaccines won’t work against it. There are also plenty of people who are unable to get a vaccine, like children and people with certain medical conditions, not to mention masses of people in countries with poor vaccine availability. I’m currently one of them, and both mine and my unborn child’s life can be saved by people around me getting vaccinated and stopping the virus from spreading. I hope people around me care about themselves and others enough to get vaccinated, and I’ll do my part as soon as my doctors deem it safe after delivery.2 -
sorry to hear that janejellyroll b/c 25K+ posts in 5-6 years is worthy of compensation.
Utter nonsense. I have tons of posts (I've been here over ten years) and I participate in team fitness and nutrition challenges that run for several weeks, multiple times each year. It's been especially fun during COVID to interact this way. During competitions, we are frequently communicating with our team members from around the world on group threads. There are even relays where people post their progress in rapid succession. Having a lot of posts doesn't mean you are a paid troll. It means you are participating in the threads.7 -
Not sure if Kentucky (USA) has any official mask policy in place but between 4 and 5 pm today WalMart mask usage that was near 100% for a long time was about 70% today. Mom and Pop businesses may have peaked at 30% but functionally Zero for a while. The fear of the vaccine is declining especially in the health care field.2
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My sister's boyfriend works at a pharmacy in a city with a mask ordinance still in place. A customer came in with no mask and another clerk said something. His response was that the CDC says vaccinated people don't need to wear masks and he has had 1 vaccine, so he figures he is close enough. She said it doesn't matter and city ordinance still requires a mask. He got mad, yelled, punched and broke the plexiglass divider. Manager threw him out. I would have prosecuted him if I was the manager.8
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My sister's boyfriend works at a pharmacy in a city with a mask ordinance still in place. A customer came in with no mask and another clerk said something. His response was that the CDC says vaccinated people don't need to wear masks and he has had 1 vaccine, so he figures he is close enough. She said it doesn't matter and city ordinance still requires a mask. He got mad, yelled, punched and broke the plexiglass divider. Manager threw him out. I would have prosecuted him if I was the manager.
Yes, I'm surprised to not be hearing about more of these types of incidences. I think it was expecting too much that Americans act like adults.
Here in Massachusetts, everywhere my partner and I have gone (which is not very many places) masks are still required.
However, the supermarket I went to today had removed the one way aisle requirements, HOORAY!2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My sister's boyfriend works at a pharmacy in a city with a mask ordinance still in place. A customer came in with no mask and another clerk said something. His response was that the CDC says vaccinated people don't need to wear masks and he has had 1 vaccine, so he figures he is close enough. She said it doesn't matter and city ordinance still requires a mask. He got mad, yelled, punched and broke the plexiglass divider. Manager threw him out. I would have prosecuted him if I was the manager.
Yes, I'm surprised to not be hearing about more of these types of incidences. I think it was expecting too much that Americans act like adults.
Here in Massachusetts, everywhere my partner and I have gone (which is not very many places) masks are still required.
However, the supermarket I went to today had removed the one way aisle requirements, HOORAY!
Massachusetts does still require masks, but that will change on May 29th. And after May 29, face coverings will still be mandatory for all people on rideshares, livery, taxi, ferries, MBTA, commuter rail, transportation stations, in health care facilities and in congregate care settings. Massachusetts will be the last of the New England states to list the ban. The Governor did say that businesses will be allowed to set their own rules for vaccinations or masks as they see fit.
In my grocery store today, still one entrance and one exit. Did see some one way stickers on the floor, but I typically ignore if no one is in the aisle. I did also note their recording is still going. I know it talks about only one family member in the store. I think it also mentioned the one way aisles. This was also in Massachusetts, Stop & Shop.1 -
Ontario just released its “reopening” plan today and every step is based on the percent of people vaccinated - which makes me livid. Both my sons have weddings planned late summer (postponed twice already) and now I have to count on others to get the vaccine in order to see if we can do that. Like if anti-vaxxers decide not to get it we can’t reopen and get back to normal? Nothing like giving the conspiracy theorists all the power.6
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