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I'm encouraged by the stats I saw this morning for my city (population ~66K). 72.2% of residents over 12 are vaccinated (and that number would be bumped up somewhat by adding people who had covid and recovered). We don't seem to have much in the way of community spread any more, and the exposure notices from my grandson's K-5 school have dropped from one or two a day to a couple a week, so having to return to remote learning is less and less likely. I am thankful.11
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »Apologies if this is a question that has been already covered, but I am wondering if anyone has stats for rate of "break through" infections vs second Covid infections. Basically, hubby and I are trying to assess the risk for my 82 year old vaccinated MIL by her being around a non-vaccinated person that tested positive for a COVID infection in May 2020. Is she really at more risk being with this person vs my husband and I, who are fully vaccinated with no known infection? My instinct is that it should be a draw, but I bet there is a more official answer. TIA
My husband is in his early 70’s and has some significant health challenges. He didn’t have much of a reaction to either his first or second COVID shot. I am assuming this means he didn’t produce many antibodies.
So I am continuing to not allow him around anyone whose vaccine status is either unknown or has chosen not to be vaccinated.
If your MIL didn’t have much of a reaction to the vaccine, I personally would advise the same.
I don't think the level of reaction to the vaccine has anything to do with your immunity. Know I read that somewhere. Seems like older people had less of a reaction to the vaccine (and more to Covid) while last spring younger people pre -Delta had more of a reaction to the vaccines and less to Covid. Now the advice is to get a booster.
Nevertheless.
I am morally and legally responsible for his health and safety. I am not going to take any chances.
Seriously. THREE disagrees on this one???
What in the world could anyone possibly be disagreeing with????
This isn’t someone’s finger slipping.
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »Apologies if this is a question that has been already covered, but I am wondering if anyone has stats for rate of "break through" infections vs second Covid infections. Basically, hubby and I are trying to assess the risk for my 82 year old vaccinated MIL by her being around a non-vaccinated person that tested positive for a COVID infection in May 2020. Is she really at more risk being with this person vs my husband and I, who are fully vaccinated with no known infection? My instinct is that it should be a draw, but I bet there is a more official answer. TIA
My husband is in his early 70’s and has some significant health challenges. He didn’t have much of a reaction to either his first or second COVID shot. I am assuming this means he didn’t produce many antibodies.
So I am continuing to not allow him around anyone whose vaccine status is either unknown or has chosen not to be vaccinated.
If your MIL didn’t have much of a reaction to the vaccine, I personally would advise the same.
I don't think the level of reaction to the vaccine has anything to do with your immunity. Know I read that somewhere. Seems like older people had less of a reaction to the vaccine (and more to Covid) while last spring younger people pre -Delta had more of a reaction to the vaccines and less to Covid. Now the advice is to get a booster.
Nevertheless.
I am morally and legally responsible for his health and safety. I am not going to take any chances.
Seriously. THREE disagrees on this one???
What in the world could anyone possibly be disagreeing with????
This isn’t someone’s finger slipping.
When you think of all the *off* people in this world, that's not bad.
Take care of yourself @MargaretYakoda10 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »Apologies if this is a question that has been already covered, but I am wondering if anyone has stats for rate of "break through" infections vs second Covid infections. Basically, hubby and I are trying to assess the risk for my 82 year old vaccinated MIL by her being around a non-vaccinated person that tested positive for a COVID infection in May 2020. Is she really at more risk being with this person vs my husband and I, who are fully vaccinated with no known infection? My instinct is that it should be a draw, but I bet there is a more official answer. TIA
My husband is in his early 70’s and has some significant health challenges. He didn’t have much of a reaction to either his first or second COVID shot. I am assuming this means he didn’t produce many antibodies.
So I am continuing to not allow him around anyone whose vaccine status is either unknown or has chosen not to be vaccinated.
If your MIL didn’t have much of a reaction to the vaccine, I personally would advise the same.
I don't think the level of reaction to the vaccine has anything to do with your immunity. Know I read that somewhere. Seems like older people had less of a reaction to the vaccine (and more to Covid) while last spring younger people pre -Delta had more of a reaction to the vaccines and less to Covid. Now the advice is to get a booster.
Nevertheless.
I am morally and legally responsible for his health and safety. I am not going to take any chances.
Seriously. THREE disagrees on this one???
What in the world could anyone possibly be disagreeing with????
This isn’t someone’s finger slipping.
some people disagree to disagree. ie: some people are just disagreeable.
you cant let it bother you hun
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callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »Apologies if this is a question that has been already covered, but I am wondering if anyone has stats for rate of "break through" infections vs second Covid infections. Basically, hubby and I are trying to assess the risk for my 82 year old vaccinated MIL by her being around a non-vaccinated person that tested positive for a COVID infection in May 2020. Is she really at more risk being with this person vs my husband and I, who are fully vaccinated with no known infection? My instinct is that it should be a draw, but I bet there is a more official answer. TIA
My husband is in his early 70’s and has some significant health challenges. He didn’t have much of a reaction to either his first or second COVID shot. I am assuming this means he didn’t produce many antibodies.
So I am continuing to not allow him around anyone whose vaccine status is either unknown or has chosen not to be vaccinated.
If your MIL didn’t have much of a reaction to the vaccine, I personally would advise the same.
I don't think the level of reaction to the vaccine has anything to do with your immunity. Know I read that somewhere. Seems like older people had less of a reaction to the vaccine (and more to Covid) while last spring younger people pre -Delta had more of a reaction to the vaccines and less to Covid. Now the advice is to get a booster.
Nevertheless.
I am morally and legally responsible for his health and safety. I am not going to take any chances.
Seriously. THREE disagrees on this one???
What in the world could anyone possibly be disagreeing with????
This isn’t someone’s finger slipping.
some people disagree to disagree. ie: some people are just disagreeable.
you cant let it bother you hun
I forgot to say soap tastes like cilantro 🤣4 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »Apologies if this is a question that has been already covered, but I am wondering if anyone has stats for rate of "break through" infections vs second Covid infections. Basically, hubby and I are trying to assess the risk for my 82 year old vaccinated MIL by her being around a non-vaccinated person that tested positive for a COVID infection in May 2020. Is she really at more risk being with this person vs my husband and I, who are fully vaccinated with no known infection? My instinct is that it should be a draw, but I bet there is a more official answer. TIA
My husband is in his early 70’s and has some significant health challenges. He didn’t have much of a reaction to either his first or second COVID shot. I am assuming this means he didn’t produce many antibodies.
So I am continuing to not allow him around anyone whose vaccine status is either unknown or has chosen not to be vaccinated.
If your MIL didn’t have much of a reaction to the vaccine, I personally would advise the same.
I don't think the level of reaction to the vaccine has anything to do with your immunity. Know I read that somewhere. Seems like older people had less of a reaction to the vaccine (and more to Covid) while last spring younger people pre -Delta had more of a reaction to the vaccines and less to Covid. Now the advice is to get a booster.
Nevertheless.
I am morally and legally responsible for his health and safety. I am not going to take any chances.
Seriously. THREE disagrees on this one???
What in the world could anyone possibly be disagreeing with????
This isn’t someone’s finger slipping.
some people disagree to disagree. ie: some people are just disagreeable.
you cant let it bother you hun
I forgot to say soap tastes like cilantro 🤣
i happen to LIKE cilantro thankyouverymuch but i will be NICE and NOT click the disagree button but i guarantee SOMEONE ELSE WILL
that said, a little goes a long way lol7 -
This Pandemic didn't come with HOW TO manual. Most of world's population doesn't have access to modern medical care or even access to any of the vaccines. Data coming out of Israel shows a short half life to stop the spread. Now we have 5 back to back holidays. Even the weather has gone berjerk.2 -
Berjerk - I love that! I live in northern CA, the land of perpetual fires, and the weather here has certainly gone berjerk. Fire season is starting earlier each year, there are more, and more severe, heat waves and less rain.
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »Apologies if this is a question that has been already covered, but I am wondering if anyone has stats for rate of "break through" infections vs second Covid infections. Basically, hubby and I are trying to assess the risk for my 82 year old vaccinated MIL by her being around a non-vaccinated person that tested positive for a COVID infection in May 2020. Is she really at more risk being with this person vs my husband and I, who are fully vaccinated with no known infection? My instinct is that it should be a draw, but I bet there is a more official answer. TIA
My husband is in his early 70’s and has some significant health challenges. He didn’t have much of a reaction to either his first or second COVID shot. I am assuming this means he didn’t produce many antibodies.
So I am continuing to not allow him around anyone whose vaccine status is either unknown or has chosen not to be vaccinated.
If your MIL didn’t have much of a reaction to the vaccine, I personally would advise the same.
I don't think the level of reaction to the vaccine has anything to do with your immunity. Know I read that somewhere. Seems like older people had less of a reaction to the vaccine (and more to Covid) while last spring younger people pre -Delta had more of a reaction to the vaccines and less to Covid. Now the advice is to get a booster.
Nevertheless.
I am morally and legally responsible for his health and safety. I am not going to take any chances.
Seriously. THREE disagrees on this one???
What in the world could anyone possibly be disagreeing with????
This isn’t someone’s finger slipping.
some people disagree to disagree. ie: some people are just disagreeable.
you cant let it bother you hun
I forgot to say soap tastes like cilantro 🤣
That's how the disagreers know they're getting to you.
Just ignore 'em. 4 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »Apologies if this is a question that has been already covered, but I am wondering if anyone has stats for rate of "break through" infections vs second Covid infections. Basically, hubby and I are trying to assess the risk for my 82 year old vaccinated MIL by her being around a non-vaccinated person that tested positive for a COVID infection in May 2020. Is she really at more risk being with this person vs my husband and I, who are fully vaccinated with no known infection? My instinct is that it should be a draw, but I bet there is a more official answer. TIA
My husband is in his early 70’s and has some significant health challenges. He didn’t have much of a reaction to either his first or second COVID shot. I am assuming this means he didn’t produce many antibodies.
So I am continuing to not allow him around anyone whose vaccine status is either unknown or has chosen not to be vaccinated.
If your MIL didn’t have much of a reaction to the vaccine, I personally would advise the same.
I don't think the level of reaction to the vaccine has anything to do with your immunity. Know I read that somewhere. Seems like older people had less of a reaction to the vaccine (and more to Covid) while last spring younger people pre -Delta had more of a reaction to the vaccines and less to Covid. Now the advice is to get a booster.
Nevertheless.
I am morally and legally responsible for his health and safety. I am not going to take any chances.
Seriously. THREE disagrees on this one???
What in the world could anyone possibly be disagreeing with????
This isn’t someone’s finger slipping.
some people disagree to disagree. ie: some people are just disagreeable.
you cant let it bother you hun
I forgot to say soap tastes like cilantro 🤣
Maybe that's why they disagreed. 😀
But, speaking of which, I was going to buy some cilantro but $4.99 for a tiny tub of something I'm not sure I'm going to like? I can't do that anymore right now.
I did spend $1.99 on some citrus garlic spice at Trader Joe's and....it had a kick I was not expecting. Or liked.6 -
Posts get disagrees.
No point querying every time it happens.9 -
paperpudding wrote: »Posts get disagrees.
No point querying every time it happens.
Some are just so bizarre though.
Like, people disagreeing that I am morally and legally responsible to make sure my husband who has dementia is safe and happy?
Like, what else am I supposed to do? Let him play in the street??
🤣
Anyhow. The Delta variant is surging here. My husband goes to needed medical appointments and beyond that? FaceTime and that’s it.
Anyone who disagrees with this comment I will assume is an Apple hater.
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Yes some disagrees seem bizarre.
But still no point in querying every time it happens.8 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Posts get disagrees.
No point querying every time it happens.
Some are just so bizarre though.
Like, people disagreeing that I am morally and legally responsible to make sure my husband who has dementia is safe and happy?
Like, what else am I supposed to do? Let him play in the street??
🤣
Anyhow. The Delta variant is surging here. My husband goes to needed medical appointments and beyond that? FaceTime and that’s it.
Anyone who disagrees with this comment I will assume is an Apple hater.
Guessing they have nothing better to do or aren't good people. Not sure.5 -
Margaret, Dementia is dreadful, sole destroying for all concerned, one can only try. You can only do your best for your husband knowing what he would have wanted. You are probably fearing what is to come for both of you.
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Margaret, What I have written below is for those who have no clue what you could be expecting over the next years.
It is commonly 10 years after onset before investigations start. I know its so very painful when their condition gets away from them. Just being able to watch as their frustrations increase, loving them just does not reach them any more, These loved ones who have probably tried to cover their difficulties for years, until it just becomes too difficult. Over time they become more and more frustrated as they become less independent, less able to communicate as the words don't come or come out wrongly, as their sphere of reference decreases, their world closes in, then their disposition changes totally. I visited a family member yesterday, a delicately placed knee blanket would have made all the difference. had the carer thought!!!
I deeply wish addressing the underlying causes of, for want of a better term, their inflammations and cofactors of the end result had found relevance here. Our medics are still in the extremely dark ages.
My family member is hypothyroid, they, NICE, UK, insist providing t3 does not make any difference, yet t3 is needed for good brain/mental health, there are many causes for someone not converting t4 to t3, conversion is not a given as is its purported to be. Never forget t3 is needed for good mental health and so much more.................
Any of the other autoimmune conditions, PTSD, tinnitus/damaged hearing, are isolating, isolation enables covering symptoms from others. Even T2 diabetes and many other conditions can be involved. There can be one condition or several but there are health difficulties present in all who end up with one of the many forms of dementia. Its far from a one size fits all situation.
Anyone is welcome to disagree with me but you need to have experienced in some close way or other. Dementia is a pandemic too, so getting to the underlying causes in the individual is vital. Internationally the care costs are going to be mush worse than costs of addressing the issues, even worse than covid.15 -
Margaret, Dementia is dreadful, sole destroying for all concerned, one can only try. You can only do your best for your husband knowing what he would have wanted. You are probably fearing what is to come for both of you.
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Margaret, What I have written below is for those who have no clue what you could be expecting over the next years.
It is commonly 10 years after onset before investigations start. I know its so very painful when their condition gets away from them. Just being able to watch as their frustrations increase, loving them just does not reach them any more, These loved ones who have probably tried to cover their difficulties for years, until it just becomes too difficult. Over time they become more and more frustrated as they become less independent, less able to communicate as the words don't come or come out wrongly, as their sphere of reference decreases, their world closes in, then their disposition changes totally. I visited a family member yesterday, a delicately placed knee blanket would have made all the difference. had the carer thought!!!
I deeply wish addressing the underlying causes of, for want of a better term, their inflammations and cofactors of the end result had found relevance here. Our medics are still in the extremely dark ages.
My family member is hypothyroid, they, NICE, UK, insist providing t3 does not make any difference, yet t3 is needed for good brain/mental health, there are many causes for someone not converting t4 to t3, conversion is not a given as is its purported to be. Never forget t3 is needed for good mental health and so much more.................
Any of the other autoimmune conditions, PTSD, tinnitus/damaged hearing, are isolating, isolation enables covering symptoms from others. Even T2 diabetes and many other conditions can be involved. There can be one condition or several but there are health difficulties present in all who end up with one of the many forms of dementia. Its far from a one size fits all situation.
Anyone is welcome to disagree with me but you need to have experienced in some close way or other. Dementia is a pandemic too, so getting to the underlying causes in the individual is vital. Internationally the care costs are going to be mush worse than costs of addressing the issues, even worse than covid.
It's not easy caring for someone with dementia, my mother passed away in Sept 2020 due to advanced dementia/alzheimers.
This is a ways off but for anyone interested, this is a free MOOC run by the University of Tasmania, starts in Feb 2022
https://www.utas.edu.au/wicking/understanding-dementia
Another free and excellent MOOC starting in Oct 2021, this addresses the lifestyle risks associated with dementia
https://www.utas.edu.au/wicking/preventing-dementia
I've done the second MOOC as part of a long term dementia prevention research project (and it was quite an eye opener as to the non genectic risks of dementia - The Island Study Linking Ageing and Neurodegenerative Disease (ISLAND) Project will involve a range of studies that relate to understanding who is at most risk of dementia and how we can self-manage risk behaviours to build resilience to dementia.
https://island.mooc.utas.edu.au/
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Posts get disagrees.
No point querying every time it happens.
Some are just so bizarre though.
Like, people disagreeing that I am morally and legally responsible to make sure my husband who has dementia is safe and happy?
Like, what else am I supposed to do? Let him play in the street??
🤣
Anyhow. The Delta variant is surging here. My husband goes to needed medical appointments and beyond that? FaceTime and that’s it.
Anyone who disagrees with this comment I will assume is an Apple hater.
My heart goes out to you. Watching my sister go through the nightmares of having a spouse with Alzheimer's increased my awareness 100fold of what the disease can do and be to the family members. It's one of those that you clearly don't have a clue unless you've lived it. Trouble is it can look so different with each individual and even if you think you know what to expect, when the reality of that next stage hits, it feels surreal and unmanageable. My sister read every single book/publication she could find and knew in her head what to expect but never knew in her heart what it meant or truly feel like.
I hope you have a strong circle of support through family, friends and caregivers. You sound like a strong advocate and supporter for your husband but make sure you have someone there for you as well.10 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Posts get disagrees.
No point querying every time it happens.
Some are just so bizarre though.
Like, people disagreeing that I am morally and legally responsible to make sure my husband who has dementia is safe and happy?
Like, what else am I supposed to do? Let him play in the street??
🤣
Anyhow. The Delta variant is surging here. My husband goes to needed medical appointments and beyond that? FaceTime and that’s it.
Anyone who disagrees with this comment I will assume is an Apple hater.
Guessing they have nothing better to do or aren't good people. Not sure.
or they don't know the full situation or they misunderstood what you are saying or they disagree with something like you bringing up whatever in the thread rather than what you said or who knows.
They are not good people or have nothing better to do sounds rather presumptive to me
no point in posting about it every time you get disagrees.
You = general you, not anyone or any post specifically
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Thank you Tiptoe. the course looks very interesting, something, I should look into more if I were certain of my child minding schedule, By the end, were I to qualify being out of area, I'd be back in the thick of it again. Its so good to see Australia takes an educative approach. Here I feel we are left to our own devices and whatever accredited scientific work we can find for free online. Thank you once again.3
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So, Tennessee is supposedly leading the nation in new Covid cases as a percentage of population. Ugh.
I’m posting because I was reading the local paper and noticed a new phenomenon - people who died of Covid because they were unvaccinated but their families are ashamed to admit it. At least I assume that’s what’s happening. A local pastor died and his fellow pastor said he “was uncomfortable revealing his vaccination status.” Okay - does that mean your church is full of anti-vaxxers and letting them know he was vaccinated would freak them out? Or, much more likely since vaccinated people rarely die, is it that you don’t want people saying, “I told you so?”
The other was a restaurant owner whose adult daughter claimed she “didn’t know her father’s vaccination status.” Well… if my father entered the hospital with Covid I would for sure ask! How could she possibly be telling the truth about this?
It seems to me most likely that both of these articles reveal a new phenomenon, people who don’t want to admit they did something stupid and Darwin’s hammer came down on their heads.22 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So, Tennessee is supposedly leading the nation in new Covid cases as a percentage of population. Ugh.
I’m posting because I was reading the local paper and noticed a new phenomenon - people who died of Covid because they were unvaccinated but their families are ashamed to admit it. At least I assume that’s what’s happening. A local pastor died and his fellow pastor said he “was uncomfortable revealing his vaccination status.” Okay - does that mean your church is full of anti-vaxxers and letting them know he was vaccinated would freak them out? Or, much more likely since vaccinated people rarely die, is it that you don’t want people saying, “I told you so?”
The other was a restaurant owner whose adult daughter claimed she “didn’t know her father’s vaccination status.” Well… if my father entered the hospital with Covid I would for sure ask! How could she possibly be telling the truth about this?
It seems to me most likely that both of these articles reveal a new phenomenon, people who don’t want to admit they did something stupid and Darwin’s hammer came down on their heads.
The schadenfreude is pretty potent on social media right now. There is a dedicated subreddit, for example, to posting several excerpts from someone's anti-vax Facebook timeline to a final post announcing their (usually awful and painful) death from COVID. They scrub the identifying components, of course, but someone in your town may figure it out.5 -
In the newspaper recently, they said there'd been another death in our county due to Covid. Course they never say what town. Come to find out, it was someone right down the hill from me, whose ds had come from Missouri to visit her. Neither of them had been vaccinated, the son returned to Missouri and ended up dying from Covid. This lady died Sept. 1st. 16
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rheddmobile wrote: »So, Tennessee is supposedly leading the nation in new Covid cases as a percentage of population. Ugh.
I’m posting because I was reading the local paper and noticed a new phenomenon - people who died of Covid because they were unvaccinated but their families are ashamed to admit it. At least I assume that’s what’s happening. A local pastor died and his fellow pastor said he “was uncomfortable revealing his vaccination status.” Okay - does that mean your church is full of anti-vaxxers and letting them know he was vaccinated would freak them out? Or, much more likely since vaccinated people rarely die, is it that you don’t want people saying, “I told you so?”
The other was a restaurant owner whose adult daughter claimed she “didn’t know her father’s vaccination status.” Well… if my father entered the hospital with Covid I would for sure ask! How could she possibly be telling the truth about this?
It seems to me most likely that both of these articles reveal a new phenomenon, people who don’t want to admit they did something stupid and Darwin’s hammer came down on their heads.
The schadenfreude is pretty potent on social media right now. There is a dedicated subreddit, for example, to posting several excerpts from someone's anti-vax Facebook timeline to a final post announcing their (usually awful and painful) death from COVID. They scrub the identifying components, of course, but someone in your town may figure it out.
Schadenfreude is an amazing word that I just learned of this year, and found it exceeding pertinent to the last 18 months. I even brought the word up to this group a couple months ago when I first learned of it.
I find it hard to comprehend though that people would participate in a subreddit of the sort that you are describing @oocdc2 . It's a sad statement of who we are becoming.3 -
We’ve had two deaths recently in our tiny county. And I still have people in the local Facebook group I admin calling it a hoax and laughing at the idea that anyone has died
The delta variant is surging here. The teeny tiny hospital is overwhelmed with no place to send anyone who needs a transfer for any reason. They’re caring for COVID patients in the freaking ER because there’s nowhere else to put them.
So if you’re not COVID positive and you have heart attack symptoms it’s either risk death at home or risk COVID by going to the ER.
And good luck because they don’t have the staff to give anyone a cardiac cath right now….
We are so so so screwed. All because some people who could do some very easy things to mitigate this disaster flat refuse to.30 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »We’ve had two deaths recently in our tiny county. And I still have people in the local Facebook group I admin calling it a hoax and laughing at the idea that anyone has died
The delta variant is surging here. The teeny tiny hospital is overwhelmed with no place to send anyone who needs a transfer for any reason. They’re caring for COVID patients in the freaking ER because there’s nowhere else to put them.
So if you’re not COVID positive and you have heart attack symptoms it’s either risk death at home or risk COVID by going to the ER.
And good luck because they don’t have the staff to give anyone a cardiac cath right now….
We are so so so screwed. All because some people who could do some very easy things to mitigate this disaster flat refuse to.
@SModa61 circumstances like those posed above is why the subreddit is so popular, unfortunately. It's not necessarily about being cruel (though, it happens), it's about witnessing the natural consequences for someone's actions as well as being frustrated with people who cannot be bothered with promoting the general welfare of their neighbors and their nation.
What gets me when I read some of these entries is that the family is often left bankrupt and without an income. Children become orphans. And for what?20 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »We’ve had two deaths recently in our tiny county. And I still have people in the local Facebook group I admin calling it a hoax and laughing at the idea that anyone has died
The delta variant is surging here. The teeny tiny hospital is overwhelmed with no place to send anyone who needs a transfer for any reason. They’re caring for COVID patients in the freaking ER because there’s nowhere else to put them.
So if you’re not COVID positive and you have heart attack symptoms it’s either risk death at home or risk COVID by going to the ER.
And good luck because they don’t have the staff to give anyone a cardiac cath right now….
We are so so so screwed. All because some people who could do some very easy things to mitigate this disaster flat refuse to.
@SModa61 circumstances like those posed above is why the subreddit is so popular, unfortunately. It's not necessarily about being cruel (though, it happens), it's about witnessing the natural consequences for someone's actions as well as being frustrated with people who cannot be bothered with promoting the general welfare of their neighbors and their nation.
What gets me when I read some of these entries is that the family is often left bankrupt and without an income. Children become orphans. And for what?
Yesterday our health department and county commissioners had a meeting on Zoom. And described our current situation here. Which is where I got the information above.
I posted the link to the meeting to my emergency group that I admin.
This morning I woke up to a person in the group wondering why, if there were “only 3 patients last week ONE OF THEM NOT EVEN COVID!” how could the hospital be overrun with Covid patients now????
Like it was some kind of got’cha question.
Like it’s completely impossible for a 20 bed hospital to become completely overwhelmed in the space of a week during a surge of a deadly pandemic.
Like this isn’t exactly the kind of community emergency you promised to help out in when you (the person in my Facebook group )signed up for the group17 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »We’ve had two deaths recently in our tiny county. And I still have people in the local Facebook group I admin calling it a hoax and laughing at the idea that anyone has died
The delta variant is surging here. The teeny tiny hospital is overwhelmed with no place to send anyone who needs a transfer for any reason. They’re caring for COVID patients in the freaking ER because there’s nowhere else to put them.
So if you’re not COVID positive and you have heart attack symptoms it’s either risk death at home or risk COVID by going to the ER.
And good luck because they don’t have the staff to give anyone a cardiac cath right now….
We are so so so screwed. All because some people who could do some very easy things to mitigate this disaster flat refuse to.
@SModa61 circumstances like those posed above is why the subreddit is so popular, unfortunately. It's not necessarily about being cruel (though, it happens), it's about witnessing the natural consequences for someone's actions as well as being frustrated with people who cannot be bothered with promoting the general welfare of their neighbors and their nation.
What gets me when I read some of these entries is that the family is often left bankrupt and without an income. Children become orphans. And for what?
Yesterday our health department and county commissioners had a meeting on Zoom. And described our current situation here. Which is where I got the information above.
I posted the link to the meeting to my emergency group that I admin.
This morning I woke up to a person in the group wondering why, if there were “only 3 patients last week ONE OF THEM NOT EVEN COVID!” how could the hospital be overrun with Covid patients now????
Like it was some kind of got’cha question.
Like it’s completely impossible for a 20 bed hospital to become completely overwhelmed in the space of a week during a surge of a deadly pandemic.
Like this isn’t exactly the kind of community emergency you promised to help out in when you (the person in my Facebook group )signed up for the group
The irony is almost more than I can hold in my mind.8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So, Tennessee is supposedly leading the nation in new Covid cases as a percentage of population. Ugh.
I’m posting because I was reading the local paper and noticed a new phenomenon - people who died of Covid because they were unvaccinated but their families are ashamed to admit it. At least I assume that’s what’s happening. A local pastor died and his fellow pastor said he “was uncomfortable revealing his vaccination status.” Okay - does that mean your church is full of anti-vaxxers and letting them know he was vaccinated would freak them out? Or, much more likely since vaccinated people rarely die, is it that you don’t want people saying, “I told you so?”
The other was a restaurant owner whose adult daughter claimed she “didn’t know her father’s vaccination status.” Well… if my father entered the hospital with Covid I would for sure ask! How could she possibly be telling the truth about this?
It seems to me most likely that both of these articles reveal a new phenomenon, people who don’t want to admit they did something stupid and Darwin’s hammer came down on their heads.
The schadenfreude is pretty potent on social media right now. There is a dedicated subreddit, for example, to posting several excerpts from someone's anti-vax Facebook timeline to a final post announcing their (usually awful and painful) death from COVID. They scrub the identifying components, of course, but someone in your town may figure it out.
Schadenfreude is an amazing word that I just learned of this year, and found it exceeding pertinent to the last 18 months. I even brought the word up to this group a couple months ago when I first learned of it.
I find it hard to comprehend though that people would participate in a subreddit of the sort that you are describing @oocdc2 . It's a sad statement of who we are becoming.
I read an article today that referred to vaxenfreude, meaning the feeling of pleasure that the vaccinated supposedly feel when they hear the unvaccinated have gotten covid and been hospitalized or died.
I suppose there are people that actually feel pleasure. For me, it's more an inability to feel compassion for them. I think many of us were are already at a point of compassion fatigue after reading just a small sampling of the first 500,000 who died in the U.S., or whatever the number is where one is, during 2020 when they had no vaccine option and in many or most cases were just trying to continue to be able to pay their rent or mortgage, utilities, etc., or possibly provide health care, first-responder services, and other essential services. My well of compassion is running pretty dry, and I feel inclined to reserve it for people who didn't essentially play Russian roulette with the virus while evincing zero sense of responsibility for protecting others. I'll feel compassion for a friend who, despite being vaccinated, ended up catching the virus, most likely from another vaccinated person, and was extremely sick for two weeks, and even had to go the emergency room.16 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »So, Tennessee is supposedly leading the nation in new Covid cases as a percentage of population. Ugh.
I’m posting because I was reading the local paper and noticed a new phenomenon - people who died of Covid because they were unvaccinated but their families are ashamed to admit it. At least I assume that’s what’s happening. A local pastor died and his fellow pastor said he “was uncomfortable revealing his vaccination status.” Okay - does that mean your church is full of anti-vaxxers and letting them know he was vaccinated would freak them out? Or, much more likely since vaccinated people rarely die, is it that you don’t want people saying, “I told you so?”
The other was a restaurant owner whose adult daughter claimed she “didn’t know her father’s vaccination status.” Well… if my father entered the hospital with Covid I would for sure ask! How could she possibly be telling the truth about this?
It seems to me most likely that both of these articles reveal a new phenomenon, people who don’t want to admit they did something stupid and Darwin’s hammer came down on their heads.
The schadenfreude is pretty potent on social media right now. There is a dedicated subreddit, for example, to posting several excerpts from someone's anti-vax Facebook timeline to a final post announcing their (usually awful and painful) death from COVID. They scrub the identifying components, of course, but someone in your town may figure it out.
Schadenfreude is an amazing word that I just learned of this year, and found it exceeding pertinent to the last 18 months. I even brought the word up to this group a couple months ago when I first learned of it.
I find it hard to comprehend though that people would participate in a subreddit of the sort that you are describing @oocdc2 . It's a sad statement of who we are becoming.
I read an article today that referred to vaxenfreude, meaning the feeling of pleasure that the vaccinated supposedly feel when they hear the unvaccinated have gotten covid and been hospitalized or died.
I suppose there are people that actually feel pleasure. For me, it's more an inability to feel compassion for them. I think many of us were are already at a point of compassion fatigue after reading just a small sampling of the first 500,000 who died in the U.S., or whatever the number is where one is, during 2020 when they had no vaccine option and in many or most cases were just trying to continue to be able to pay their rent or mortgage, utilities, etc., or possibly provide health care, first-responder services, and other essential services. My well of compassion is running pretty dry, and I feel inclined to reserve it for people who didn't essentially play Russian roulette with the virus while evincing zero sense of responsibility for protecting others. I'll feel compassion for a friend who, despite being vaccinated, ended up catching the virus, most likely from another vaccinated person, and was extremely sick for two weeks, and even had to go the emergency room.
Yup.
Same.
It kind of reminds me of how I felt when my stepson racked his balls.
Scene: Vancouver BC. During Expo 86.
His dad, myself, and a small group of friends were walking about ten blocks to The Old Spaghetti Factory.
There was a brick retaining wall. At first it was only about two feet high, but as we progressed the street was declining in slope and the brick retaining wall was level.
I kept asking my then ten year old stepson to get down, and he kept refusing. As we came close to a spot where the post of a street sign of some sort was embedded in the top of the brick wall I was almost pleading with my stepson to get down. At this point the wall was about five feet high.
My stepson chose to grab the post of the street sign and try to swing around it á la Gene Kelly in Singing In The Rain.
But he missed.
One leg landed on the top of the wall and the other leg hit the edge of the top of the wall right over his knee, and scraped all the way up… it was hot. Summer. He was wearing skimpy 80’s shorts.
It wasn’t at all pretty. And I was sorry he was in pain…. But I had been telling him to get down off the wall.
I feel the same about antimaskers who die of COVID.
I am sorry they died. But I’m more sorry they chose not to listen to what doctors have been saying for almost two years now.17 -
Yup, natural consequences. Sometimes it's the best teacher. But sadly, in these times, it may be the last teacher. If people would get rid of the 'it'll never happen to me' attitude. How can they believe in such far-fetched ideas such as micro-chips yet disbelieve all the science? SMH 15
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