Do you still drink milk?

We are only the top of the food chain because we use guns/machines to kill animals to fight our way to the top. If you put a human in a cage with a lion/bear/etc with no weapons then you will see who is really the top of the food chain.

We are at the top of the food chain because of our superior intellect, which has invented weapons allowing us to kill larger animals and eat them.

All species should be equal. A cow should NOT have to live its whole life trapped it a horrible factory getting forcibly impregnated so you can drink nasty milk.

If all species should be equal, should any animal be allowed to eat another then? C'mon... It's survival of the fittest (or smartest). It's the law of the jungle, alive and well in the jungle and out of the jungle.

WOW okay well I have nothing else to say to you because you are beyond help. Okay so its okay to rape a animal (Forcibly impregnating something sounds like rape to me!) so you can drink milk meant for its child??? Some animals eat each other because some animals are carnivores, (Humans are NOT & don't need to be, plenty of protein/nutrients in veggies etc) they chase down the animal and kill it with their teeth/claws eat it raw thats nature, not going through a drive thru or buying a pounds of gross ground beef then cooking and seasoning it etc thats not nature. We are not cave people we don't hunt for our food, the animals don't have a fighting chance like in the wild, they are confined to filthy nasty factory's were they live out their short sad life's, then are inhumanely slaughtered. I really feel bad for people who have no sense of right or wrong or compassion for animals. You are no better then any animal they deserve to be happy and live free. They don't owe you anything they shouldn't have to suffer because people are awful. Ugh But I don't even know why I say anything because most people are to mean to care so whatever. Keep killing animals and torturing them because you have no conscience.

This post will probably get deleted, but here is my take on animal activists in general: If you live in a first world capitalist society, you're a murderer. You support military forces and economic policies that steal the bread from children's mouths all over the world, just so you can have a high standard of living. You support sweat shops and dictators and oil wars every day of your life. You're a murderer, and so am I. The fate of cattle shouldn't be the first thing on our minds when we're feeling compassionate.

Compared to all that, compared to all the starving people in this world, what's a baby cow in the balance?

Not that I want to get involved in this argument, but as someone who works on a farm as a living (sheep farm-though we don't milk the animals obviously, we do raise and sell them at sale barns-not necessarily for slaughter), I can say I take very good care of my animals. The rams and ewes that are here to stay come up to me and want me to pet them just like my dog does. They have more land to graze on then they know what to do with. When a lamb is born we have them stay in the barn for over a month with heat lamps to make sure they are taken care of. If someone is rough with my animals I do not allow it. We pay twice as much to have the sheep sheared because the guy that comes takes his time and is gentle with the animals. Not every farm is like the ones you see on the activist sites.

I think a family farm (small farm? not sure where you work,) probably treats their animals a lot better then some giant slaughter house does. I still wouldn't eat meat from a family farm because of my own beliefs but I am sure the animals are treated better and killed humanely. I have no problem with a family farm. If people want to eat me they should search out places like where you work. They shouldn't support the big factories that don't care about the animals well being or if they are diseased or full of hormones. I have no argument with you, you seem like you actually have a heart.

so where is this farm if I want to eat you?

We are only the top of the food chain because we use guns/machines to kill animals to fight our way to the top. If you put a human in a cage with a lion/bear/etc with no weapons then you will see who is really the top of the food chain.

We are at the top of the food chain because of our superior intellect, which has invented weapons allowing us to kill larger animals and eat them.

All species should be equal. A cow should NOT have to live its whole life trapped it a horrible factory getting forcibly impregnated so you can drink nasty milk.

If all species should be equal, should any animal be allowed to eat another then? C'mon... It's survival of the fittest (or smartest). It's the law of the jungle, alive and well in the jungle and out of the jungle.

WOW okay well I have nothing else to say to you because you are beyond help. Okay so its okay to rape a animal (Forcibly impregnating something sounds like rape to me!) so you can drink milk meant for its child??? Some animals eat each other because some animals are carnivores, (Humans are NOT & don't need to be, plenty of protein/nutrients in veggies etc) they chase down the animal and kill it with their teeth/claws eat it raw thats nature, not going through a drive thru or buying a pounds of gross ground beef then cooking and seasoning it etc thats not nature. We are not cave people we don't hunt for our food, the animals don't have a fighting chance like in the wild, they are confined to filthy nasty factory's were they live out their short sad life's, then are inhumanely slaughtered. I really feel bad for people who have no sense of right or wrong or compassion for animals. You are no better then any animal they deserve to be happy and live free. They don't owe you anything they shouldn't have to suffer because people are awful. Ugh But I don't even know why I say anything because most people are to mean to care so whatever. Keep killing animals and torturing them because you have no conscience.

This post will probably get deleted, but here is my take on animal activists in general: If you live in a first world capitalist society, you're a murderer. You support military forces and economic policies that steal the bread from children's mouths all over the world, just so you can have a high standard of living. You support sweat shops and dictators and oil wars every day of your life. You're a murderer, and so am I. The fate of cattle shouldn't be the first thing on our minds when we're feeling compassionate.

Compared to all that, compared to all the starving people in this world, what's a baby cow in the balance?

Not that I want to get involved in this argument, but as someone who works on a farm as a living (sheep farm-though we don't milk the animals obviously, we do raise and sell them at sale barns-not necessarily for slaughter), I can say I take very good care of my animals. The rams and ewes that are here to stay come up to me and want me to pet them just like my dog does. They have more land to graze on then they know what to do with. When a lamb is born we have them stay in the barn for over a month with heat lamps to make sure they are taken care of. If someone is rough with my animals I do not allow it. We pay twice as much to have the sheep sheared because the guy that comes takes his time and is gentle with the animals. Not every farm is like the ones you see on the activist sites.

I think a family farm (small farm? not sure where you work,) probably treats their animals a lot better then some giant slaughter house does. I still wouldn't eat meat from a family farm because of my own beliefs but I am sure the animals are treated better and killed humanely. I have no problem with a family farm. If people want to eat me they should search out places like where you work. They shouldn't support the big factories that don't care about the animals well being or if they are diseased or full of hormones. I have no argument with you, you seem like you actually have a heart.

so where is this farm if I want to eat you?

Yep. We're on to discussing cannibalism. I knew it.

hey...she siad "if people want to eat me..." just rollin with her

I have no problem with a family farm. If people want to eat me they should search out places like where you work. They shouldn't support the big factories that don't care about the animals well being or if they are diseased or full of hormones. I have no argument with you, you seem like you actually have a heart.

Plus your kids would end up better off being taught its not okay to kill a animal or torture them for food that you don't need.

Sorry I love animals. I am disgusted by the use of animals products.

I really feel bad for people who have no sense of right or wrong or compassion for animals. You are no better then any animal they deserve to be happy and live free. They don't owe you anything they shouldn't have to suffer because people are awful. Ugh But I don't even know why I say anything because most people are to mean to care so whatever. Keep killing animals and torturing them because you have no conscience.

I'm confused. Where do you draw the line? When/how is it okay to kill an animal, or drink it's milk?

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

I think he was just trying to inject some humor into what has become a very heated discussion.

I have no problem with a family farm. If people want to eat me they should search out places like where you work. They shouldn't support the big factories that don't care about the animals well being or if they are diseased or full of hormones. I have no argument with you, you seem like you actually have a heart.

Plus your kids would end up better off being taught its not okay to kill a animal or torture them for food that you don't need.

Sorry I love animals. I am disgusted by the use of animals products.

I really feel bad for people who have no sense of right or wrong or compassion for animals. You are no better then any animal they deserve to be happy and live free. They don't owe you anything they shouldn't have to suffer because people are awful. Ugh But I don't even know why I say anything because most people are to mean to care so whatever. Keep killing animals and torturing them because you have no conscience.

I'm confused. Where do you draw the line? When/how is it okay to kill an animal, or drink it's milk?

In my opinion its never okay to kill a animal or use its milk. Almond milk is far better for you and no animals suffer to produce it. A cow in nature would only make milk for its young when its pregnant, in factories they are forcibly impregnate and have there calves taken away (if they are male they are turned to veal) (female are forced into the same life as a dairy cow/or meat) and they are milked for human consumption. I don't think it is right for humans to take something from a animal that is not meant for them. Its like animal slavery. They don't deserve to live sad painful lives that revolve around humans "needs" to drink milk eat meat whatever. If your family owns a farm, a chicken lays eggs, leaves them to rot, if you ate them I think thats kinda okay. I wouldn't just because I don't want to eat animal products... But thats better then supporting a dairy/egg farm that abuses their animals and kills them.

Bottom line I personally don't believe in using any animals products. ever.

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.