So sad with what I saw today I wanted to cry
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Oh and another thing I didn't mention. A month or two after hitting my goal of 'skinny' I started having seizures. I lost weight so quickly that my body/pancreas couldn't adjust to my needed insulin levels and while waiting for the bus I had a seizure and ended up laying out on the sidewalk and being ignored because apparently people just thought I was some 'drunk passed out chick'
I have medical records to back these ramblings up. I basically got reamed by the ER doctor and then by my own (who hadn't seen me during my crash dieting) doctor.
You need to satisfy your nutritional needs (and actual needs not your perceived needs) and adjust slowly. Why does the weight have to be off THIS MOMENT? Trying to drop it all crash dieting is a temporary solution, not the needed lifestyle adjustment you need to make.
/end anecdata part 2.
You are not me...I am not you. We are different. Just because it happened to you does not by any means mean it's going to happen to me. Trust me I know what I'm doing and I'm fine. Come on doctors put people on less than this and they are freaking fine. If it was so bad for you they wouldn't do it to them. Again you had something going on with your body before you did the crash diet and I am not crash dieting.
Yeah. Cuz Doctors know EVERYTHING. And NEVER make bad judgments. I wonder why they have malpractice insurance. Mystery.
Exactly, but who's to say yours are right and mine is wrong? Point is I'm good with what my doc says, just as your are cool with what your doc says. Difference of opinions here and we all feel strongly in our beliefs0 -
Did you know studies done on starvation mode proved to have little to no affect on those who were obese?
Did you know as you slim down your metabolism slows down no matter what. This is why a fitter person has to work twice as hard to burn a significant amount of calories as opposed to their obese friends.
Did you know the body does not use just one source for fuel? It won't just stop using fat or no one would ever starve to death.
Did you know everyone's body is different?
Did you know the reason 1200 calories is recommended is because it is hard to get all the nutrients your body needs on this which is what causes complications, not the lack of calories. Anyone doing a low calorie diet should take a multivitamin, even a Flintstones chewable would suffice and they're yummy!
Did you know just because you sweat doesn't mean you're burning a ton of calories? Heart rate is key.
Did you know sometimes you hit a plateau because that's all your body is willing to give up. Generally when this happens it's time to tone.
Did you know TurboFire is awesome?
Did you know you can argue all you want but before you do you should do some research on specific types of bodies rather than assume it applies to everyone.
"Did you know that? Now you know!"0 -
No matter what is said here it is obvious that the OP does not believe this to be risky behavior. There is only so much people can do to warn people of that, more power to her.
The problem is every thing seems fine right now so of course there is nothing to worry about. My friend who died with low calorie dieting took a while for it to kick in and it really only kicked in when she went back up in calories but that may have just been coincidence.
Hey maybe the OP will be the exception to the rule that most people on extremely low calorie diets dont get ill and dont gain all the weight back when they raise their calories...
Hell my doctor freaked out when I put my calories to 1510 after mfp said 2 lbs loss is that many calories, she about verbally assaulted me and made me bring it to 1700.
If you are on a low calorie diet by a doctor, it is usually Medically supervised with supplements and medication because you have a serious problem, I just have never seen a doctor put even an extremely obese person on a low low calorie diet for any long duration of time more than 3 months, they know it is just not healthy.
Good luck OP, it is obvious that the countless stories of experience here means nothing to you and what you are doing is working for you. Kinda like alcoholics/drug users... Today is not the problem they feel fine!
Just wanted to tell you that I am sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. :flowerforyou:0 -
How often is your friend tested for internal organ damage?No matter what is said here it is obvious that the OP does not believe this to be risky behavior. There is only so much people can do to warn people of that, more power to her.
The problem is every thing seems fine right now so of course there is nothing to worry about. My friend who died with low calorie dieting took a while for it to kick in and it really only kicked in when she went back up in calories but that may have just been coincidence.
Hey maybe the OP will be the exception to the rule that most people on extremely low calorie diets dont get ill and dont gain all the weight back when they raise their calories...
Hell my doctor freaked out when I put my calories to 1510 after mfp said 2 lbs loss is that many calories, she about verbally assaulted me and made me bring it to 1700.
If you are on a low calorie diet by a doctor, it is usually Medically supervised with supplements and medication because you have a serious problem, I just have never seen a doctor put even an extremely obese person on a low low calorie diet for any long duration of time more than 3 months, they know it is just not healthy.
Good luck OP, it is obvious that the countless stories of experience here means nothing to you and what you are doing is working for you. Kinda like alcoholics/drug users... Today is not the problem they feel fine!
Seriously? I have my own stories that counter act all of yours. I know I've said it on here on this thread. And yet because I defend my own actions, I'm being stubborn because all of you are right, but I think I have just as many people on my side that believe we are right. What I do is RIGHT for me and what you do is RIGHT for you...again my doc says I am just fine, leave it be. And I don't have ANY medical problems YET!!!! and it's what we are trying to avoid for my future.
I'm sorry your friend died, but I have a friend who has been on 500 calories a day for 9 months and she's just fine. Different people different bodies, different all the way around. But you don't see that, you just see your side, doesn't matter I have a side also.
She was seen weekly by her doc and I assume they are watching everything they are supposed to. She's done with that part and is now learning to maintain her weight eating normal food. As I will do0 -
Sad to say...but if you suffered from years of anorexia/bulimia then it seems more likely then not that you (not OP) are the one with an unhealthy perspective about weight and weight loss in general. Your condition is controllable but it is not curable...So since you needed to expose everything that you felt was unhealthy about OP's behavior....Maybe you would like to explain (in a healthy fashion)...How exactly a "supposedly" healthy person (recovering?) from anorexia/bulimia ends up once again trying to lose weight on an internet weight loss site? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones....LIVE AND LET LIVE!
Interesting that you assume I'm here to lose weight - I'm actually not trying to lose weight. I am 5'7" and 135lbs, and I have been since 2009. Through years of therapy, I have recovered from a life with ED. You can either believe that I'm a sick, incurable individual who has no right to suggest someone might have a problem for making the same mistakes I've made in my life, or you can understand that maybe I have an inkling of an idea of what I'm talking about because I've experienced it before and am able to speak now from a more objective place.
Objective?...You are about as objective as a church missionary in a Pigmy camp! .
If (as you say)...you are not here on mfp to lose weight...Then why in heavens name are you trying to promote yourself as some kind of know it all guru on the subject of weight loss for other people? Like it or not...OP's personal experience is just as valid as yours (or anybody else's)....You need to learn how to RESPECT other people's opinions and decisions....If what OP is doing is a mistake...she has a perfect right to make her decision and to learn from that experience for herself...You survived your experience...she will too!.0 -
Your forehead is quite shiny.
Yeah, I didn't quite set up my Canon DSLR to take that shot...0 -
Right now I am doing 1400 calories a day and I have only been using MFP for 50 days today and some people are saying I am not eating enough, the calories are too low. I just want a kick start to get things moving. Is this a bad thing or what?
I feel for this lady you saw to day and I feel for others that are in the same situation I am there too and I want out.0 -
Your forehead is quite shiny.
Yeah, I didn't quite set up my Canon DSLR to take that shot...
It's okay, when I use the flash I disappear.0 -
All i'm going to say is I watch a 3 yr old who eats about 800 or so cals a day....more on some days....and she's really skinny*like a super flat tummy and hardly any body fat* So if it works for a 3 yr old I'm sure it will work just as well for a 25 or 50 yr old:)
Megafacepalm!
The calorie requirements for a toddler and an adult - completely different. Read some research.
We need a serious Sarcasm 101 class on mfp....people are too uptight to even recognize when it is happenening
A sarcasm font would help - so hard to tell with some of the people on here what is serious and what is not. Now that I know is sarcasm *doffs hat* well played
*takes bow* thank you thank you...I'll be here all week. Well i can understand where you are coming from since so many people on here are ate up in their thinking of nutrition. Plus, I'm not very computer savvy so i don't know how to do cute sarcasm font lol0 -
Have fun losing weight super fast on 800 cals a day.....and have fun losing your hair and your skin luster as well....Ive been on medifast which was 800 or so cals a day, and i know tons of others who have been on either that or low cal and the first thing that goes is your hair(i'm a hairdresser, i know these things) so stock up on some wigs while you lose the weight quickly, and the fact that you think a 35 pound 3 yr old should comsume more calories than(lets assume) a 160 pound person is REDICULOUS.....0
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Have fun losing weight super fast on 800 cals a day.....and have fun losing your hair and your skin luster as well....Ive been on medifast which was 800 or so cals a day, and i know tons of others who have been on either that or low cal and the first thing that goes is your hair(i'm a hairdresser, i know these things) so stock up on some wigs while you lose the weight quickly, and the fact that you think a 35 pound 3 yr old should comsume more calories than(lets assume) a 160 pound person is REDICULOUS.....
You don't have kids, do you? Considering a child's size, they do need a whole lot of calories. For instance a 35 pound three year old would eat about as much as the 160 pound adult even though they're more than half their size.0 -
Have fun losing weight super fast on 800 cals a day.....and have fun losing your hair and your skin luster as well....Ive been on medifast which was 800 or so cals a day, and i know tons of others who have been on either that or low cal and the first thing that goes is your hair(i'm a hairdresser, i know these things) so stock up on some wigs while you lose the weight quickly, and the fact that you think a 35 pound 3 yr old should comsume more calories than(lets assume) a 160 pound person is REDICULOUS.....
You don't know nearly as much as you THINK you know..my kid is also a Hair Stylist, so please don't go spouting off at the mouth thinking your a know it all. And I was told to watch for that a sign my body isn't dealing with it. It's dealing with it, so again your scare tatic doesn't work on me. And I know someone who was on medifast and she didnt' lose her hair...some people deal well with it others don't . Sorry you didn't. It's been said that a morbid obese person can eat 75% BELOW their RMR. 800 calories are my 75% below. With the KNOWLEDGE that I will have to SLOWLY raise my intake as my weight goes down. Already done my research so try another one.0 -
O GEEZ...are we back to comparing toddlers to adults again!?!?!0
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This whole thing is silly, so sad that my post about this poor woman I was and it turns into a fight about my calorie intake and what may or may not happen to my body.
With everyone believing different things and passionate about it I guess it's going to get interesting, but name calling and all the holier than thou attitudes is a bit ridiculous.
I've been told that with my starting weight I can eat 75% below my RMR. That's 800 calories, I need to take a multi vitamin and take a fish oil capsule a day. And to listen to my body, it will tell me what I need to do differently. I'm doing that. They also told me that once I got to something healthier then I need to slowly up my calories to something more sustainable for down the road. Instead of people jumping to conclusions they should give people credit for being smarter and wiser than they assume. Drives me nuts for people to think they are so much smarter than anyone else and they know it all. Just because I believe differently than you doesn't make me wrong nor does it make you right. It's just your perception of how it is.
I'm just sad they turned this into something it wasn't.0 -
<< is holier than thou. Haha. :flowerforyou:0
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<< is holier than thou. Haha. :flowerforyou:
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O GEEZ...are we back to comparing toddlers to adults again!?!?!
Comparing the caloric needs, yes because someone called something that's really not at all unfathomable "rediculous". I assume this person does not have kids because children need A LOT of calories considering their size. Even a teenager still needs quite a bit.
Generally the metabolism of a child is much greater than an adult, that's why some (not all) can get away with eating whatever without exercise and won't see any weight gain till they get in their late 20s.
I was never one of those kids though. I gained weight looking at a box of donuts. Damn it.0 -
I do not have children, but used to babysit/nanny for 10-14 hours a day....this girl will drink juice, have a banana, maybe a SMALL bowl of cereal, some milk, half a pb and j sandwich and a couple bites of chicken and some rice for dinner and fit like 6 crackers or so in there for a snack. I don't know any grown adult that eats like that every day, besides my friends who are crash dieting. But whatever, i'm such a know it all and whatever words you want to throw at me, but I'm going off things ive seen for years (been babysitting since i was 17) and no child that i have EVER watched ate 1200-1500 cals a day....maybe when they got the occasional mcdonalds, but if they ate at home they weren't.
To the OP....yor defense mechanisms are incredible! You just have SOMETHING to say back to everyone that says something to you, even if they are saying it out of concern....perhaps you should eat more, because maybe its lack of food making you so angry and have to condescendingly lash out at anyone that has an opinion other than yours.0 -
I do not have children, but used to babysit/nanny for 10-14 hours a day....this girl will drink juice, have a banana, maybe a SMALL bowl of cereal, some milk, half a pb and j sandwich and a couple bites of chicken and some rice for dinner and fit like 6 crackers or so in there for a snack. I don't know any grown adult that eats like that every day, besides my friends who are crash dieting. But whatever, i'm such a know it all and whatever words you want to throw at me, but I'm going off things ive seen for years (been babysitting since i was 17) and no child that i have EVER watched ate 1200-1500 cals a day....maybe when they got the occasional mcdonalds, but if they ate at home they weren't.
To the OP....yor defense mechanisms are incredible! You just have SOMETHING to say back to everyone that says something to you, even if they are saying it out of concern....perhaps you should eat more, because maybe its lack of food making you so angry and have to condescendingly lash out at anyone that has an opinion other than yours.
They came at me first and I have a right to defend my decisions in MY life. My life not theirs, and while some may be from true concern most were def. NOT, it's out of I know better than you because I'm smarter than you, and I've seen the post from them to others and they are rude as F*** . I've tried telling them I know what I'm doing and I've taken measure to be sure I'm safe as I can be in this decision but they contiue to point out how wrong they think I am. You don't have to like what I do but you also don't have the right to call names and be rude about my decisions, my decisions for MY life. Live your life but leave mine out of it cause I can live my own life and I have to say I'm doing a really good job of it. If all you can do is criticise others for their choices just because they don't agree with yours then you have no business commenting on others if you can't support them then move on and leave well enough alone other wise this post is what happens. And I'm not the one being condescending, I'm defending. Lack of food has nothing to do with it.0 -
This makes me rather sad that so many people are being hyprocritical of others choices. What right have any of you to question anyone on what they want to do. Never heard the saying of different strokes for different folks? From someone who is over 300lbs myself I look at this woman for inspiration, she is doing something about her weight, health conditions etc. I would rather walk with her on this journey than half of you lot, at least I can be assured she won't judge me but understand me and why I have to do what I have to do. As a muslim we fast for one month of the year, I haven't died yet and would barely eat 500cals in the day.
Seriously half of you get off your high horses and if we are happy doing what we are doing then leave us be. I do believe that some of you make it a pact to come on here and just annoy people. How sad little lives you have got0 -
This makes me rather sad that so many people are being hyprocritical of others choices. What right have any of you to question anyone on what they want to do. Never heard the saying of different strokes for different folks? From someone who is over 300lbs myself I look at this woman for inspiration, she is doing something about her weight, health conditions etc. I would rather walk with her on this journey than half of you lot, at least I can be assured she won't judge me but understand me and why I have to do what I have to do. As a muslim we fast for one month of the year, I haven't died yet and would barely eat 500cals in the day.
Seriously half of you get off your high horses and if we are happy doing what we are doing then leave us be. I do believe that some of you make it a pact to come on here and just annoy people. How sad little lives you have got
Can I walk with you guys!!!!! :flowerforyou:0 -
This makes me rather sad that so many people are being hyprocritical of others choices. What right have any of you to question anyone on what they want to do. Never heard the saying of different strokes for different folks? From someone who is over 300lbs myself I look at this woman for inspiration, she is doing something about her weight, health conditions etc. I would rather walk with her on this journey than half of you lot, at least I can be assured she won't judge me but understand me and why I have to do what I have to do. As a muslim we fast for one month of the year, I haven't died yet and would barely eat 500cals in the day.
Seriously half of you get off your high horses and if we are happy doing what we are doing then leave us be. I do believe that some of you make it a pact to come on here and just annoy people. How sad little lives you have got
Am I mistaken? I thought Muslims fasted from sun up to sun down for one month. I've never heard that they fast completely for that month. At least the Muslims that I know don't.0 -
I do not have children, but used to babysit/nanny for 10-14 hours a day....this girl will drink juice, have a banana, maybe a SMALL bowl of cereal, some milk, half a pb and j sandwich and a couple bites of chicken and some rice for dinner and fit like 6 crackers or so in there for a snack. I don't know any grown adult that eats like that every day, besides my friends who are crash dieting. But whatever, i'm such a know it all and whatever words you want to throw at me, but I'm going off things ive seen for years (been babysitting since i was 17) and no child that i have EVER watched ate 1200-1500 cals a day....maybe when they got the occasional mcdonalds, but if they ate at home they weren't.
To the OP....yor defense mechanisms are incredible! You just have SOMETHING to say back to everyone that says something to you, even if they are saying it out of concern....perhaps you should eat more, because maybe its lack of food making you so angry and have to condescendingly lash out at anyone that has an opinion other than yours.
Then that child was underfed.
I'm going off of being a former babysitter and now a mom to my own child.
Trust me, when you become a mom you read every book you can get your hands on to ensure you do everything right (even though it doesn't work out that way) but yeah my one year old is supposed to have around 1000 calories a day. The 12 year old is supposed to have around 1600 a day.
They eat more because they're growing.
My one year old is a freaking piglet right now but some days he is fine with the minimum.
I am a "know-it-all" because I am a mother and a future nursing student.
Aren't all nurses and mothers know-it-alls? Haha. 0 -
I do not have children, but used to babysit/nanny for 10-14 hours a day....this girl will drink juice, have a banana, maybe a SMALL bowl of cereal, some milk, half a pb and j sandwich and a couple bites of chicken and some rice for dinner and fit like 6 crackers or so in there for a snack. I don't know any grown adult that eats like that every day, besides my friends who are crash dieting. But whatever, i'm such a know it all and whatever words you want to throw at me, but I'm going off things ive seen for years (been babysitting since i was 17) and no child that i have EVER watched ate 1200-1500 cals a day....maybe when they got the occasional mcdonalds, but if they ate at home they weren't.
To the OP....yor defense mechanisms are incredible! You just have SOMETHING to say back to everyone that says something to you, even if they are saying it out of concern....perhaps you should eat more, because maybe its lack of food making you so angry and have to condescendingly lash out at anyone that has an opinion other than yours.
Then that child was underfed.
I'm going off of being a former babysitter and now a mom to my own child.
Trust me, when you become a mom you read every book you can get your hands on to ensure you do everything right (even though it doesn't work out that way) but yeah my one year old is supposed to have around 1000 calories a day. The 12 year old is supposed to have around 1600 a day.
They eat more because they're growing.
My one year old is a freaking piglet right now but some days he is fine with the minimum.
I am a "know-it-all" because I am a mother and a future nursing student. Aren't all nurses and mothers know-it-alls? Haha.
Become a nurse first.0 -
I do not have children, but used to babysit/nanny for 10-14 hours a day....this girl will drink juice, have a banana, maybe a SMALL bowl of cereal, some milk, half a pb and j sandwich and a couple bites of chicken and some rice for dinner and fit like 6 crackers or so in there for a snack. I don't know any grown adult that eats like that every day, besides my friends who are crash dieting. But whatever, i'm such a know it all and whatever words you want to throw at me, but I'm going off things ive seen for years (been babysitting since i was 17) and no child that i have EVER watched ate 1200-1500 cals a day....maybe when they got the occasional mcdonalds, but if they ate at home they weren't.
To the OP....yor defense mechanisms are incredible! You just have SOMETHING to say back to everyone that says something to you, even if they are saying it out of concern....perhaps you should eat more, because maybe its lack of food making you so angry and have to condescendingly lash out at anyone that has an opinion other than yours.
Then that child was underfed.
I'm going off of being a former babysitter and now a mom to my own child.
Trust me, when you become a mom you read every book you can get your hands on to ensure you do everything right (even though it doesn't work out that way) but yeah my one year old is supposed to have around 1000 calories a day. The 12 year old is supposed to have around 1600 a day.
They eat more because they're growing.
My one year old is a freaking piglet right now but some days he is fine with the minimum.
I am a "know-it-all" because I am a mother and a future nursing student. Aren't all nurses and mothers know-it-alls? Haha.
Become a nurse first.
I don't have to be a nurse to know children need more calories. They're growing. It's common sense.0 -
You eat 700 calories a day... I am sad for you too. You say this site is for support, that is true, but support doesn't mean "I will encourage you to keep doing what you're doing even if it's unhealthy".
I need to state for the record that you are posting publicly about eating 700 calories a day, I didn't dig for this information. You're not exactly keeping it private, for someone who is upset at all the negative feedback she's receiving.
I agree, too few calories, thats not the right way to do it. You won't keep it off long term, you need to develop a healthy lifestyle and make change you can keep for life.0 -
You said you saw her walking; Maybe she has gotten the same revelation as you and many of the rest of us; Perhaps she has started her journey. Best wishes to you and her!0
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You said you saw her walking; Maybe she has gotten the same revelation as you and many of the rest of us; Perhaps she has started her journey. Best wishes to you and her!
Something I've noticed I do now, park as far away from the entrance as I can. I mean I'm still in the parking lot but I'm no longer trying to find the closest spot to the entrance.0 -
I have a friend and she probably weighs 550, maybe more. Recently she became a diabetic and asked me for help diet wise. I explained about what not to eat and suggested she use portion control. She eats tremendous amounts of food. I begged her to get on MFP and diet along with me. Nothing I have suggested has worked. If she does not stop someday she will probably end up bedridden...minus limbs. Bottom line here is that some people just don't care. It breaks my heart for she is a wonderful person. She is content to be where she is at. She asked me to quit bugging here about her weight so I no longer say anything. Just because you may be sad that does not mean that person is sad and miserable.0
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That is true. I was good with me too, until my friend developed breast cancer and learned what really matters in life, until my husband got sick with CHF and needs to lose weight to save his life. Yes she may be happy with how she is, but I saw me in her and I saw US, those of us who are changing what we've become for the better.
I haven't seen her again, so I'll never know.0
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