Obsessive/Unhealthy Dieting Relationship
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Right there with you honey. That's why I am in therapy. I am scared of food. I will not go to social gatherings because if there is food it's just to much for me to deal with. I get anxiety over it. I cancel on social gatherings and say I am sick so I don't have to go and not eat what they have. I count every calorie. Log every bite. Exercise 5-6 days a week for 90 min or more. I have anxiety and guilt over everything I eat. So I am seeing a therapist. This is NO WAY TO LIVE.
Good for you for getting help
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thorsmom01 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »I joined WW when I was employed, and I'm currently on a 2 month free pass for losing 10 pounds in October and November. That's the only reason I am still on WW. Because I'm getting free meetings now.
I'm just feeling burnt out from measuring and tracking.
Since you're unemployed, don't you qualify for a state insurance program? I see you're in New Jersey, which probably isn't too different from my state of Massachusetts. I have a friend with Mass Health who gets free therapy.
Maybe someone from NJ can advise you better.
I'm from nj and can offer a complete list of free and sliding scale mental health help. My neighbor actually works at one of the largest low income mental health centers in this state. Even if they can't help, they will refer and set the appt of a place that can .thorsmom01 wrote: »The list of free mental health services in nj is so long that I couldn't even begin to list it.
Op - Google these key words - FREE mental health help NJ. They have a state website set up to get you a referred within 24 hrs to free help.
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#NotRocketScience[/quote]
You chose a weight loss plan that creates a calorie deficit through assigning certain foods a point value and then limiting the number of points. If you want a different way to create a calorie deficit, those are available -- ways of eating that would allow you to have milk or avocado more regularly.
Weight Watchers isn't something that *happened* to you. You chose it. [/quote]
OMGOSH! THIS!!!! GET OFF WW!0 -
I'm not sure how stretching will help, but I'll try stretching more. I can't get into the meditation aspect of yoga because that aspect of taking a yoga class conflicts with my religious beliefs.
So listen to monks or nuns chanting instead of other music. I've never felt yoga has been infused with a set, mandatory religious practice or set of beliefs. Or been indoctrinating me somehow. Same thing with meditation. The breathing and meditation increases and deepens my spiritual connection, which is directed by me, according to my religion.
The Sanskrit names for the poses was just another fitness language, like learning French for ballet.
To be honest, I've never understood why people protest yoga on religious grounds. Yoga is what you make of it, or don't.
Don't you know that the Hinduism is contagious?
What if Lissa were to be reincarnated as something that she is not allowed to eat after 9:00, or sometimes 8:00, in the evening?-1 -
CoffeeNCardio wrote: »https://www.probe.org/yoga-and-christianity-are-they-compatible/
Wow. People need to lighten the **** up.
This article has more abbreviated and out of context quotes than a Daily Mail "Famous Person's tit caught on camera" rag.
:laugh:
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Sandytoes71 wrote: »
#NotRocketScience
You chose a weight loss plan that creates a calorie deficit through assigning certain foods a point value and then limiting the number of points. If you want a different way to create a calorie deficit, those are available -- ways of eating that would allow you to have milk or avocado more regularly.
Weight Watchers isn't something that *happened* to you. You chose it. [/quote]
OMGOSH! THIS!!!! GET OFF WW! [/quote]
And, as I'm sure I've said before, WW was working for me for quite a while, but after measuring and tracking everything I ate (save for fruits and vegetables because those are 0 points), I got so sick and tired of tracking that I shut down, and now I'm having a hard time staying motivated. I've tried easing myself back into it with smaller changes like drinking water and eating fruits and vegetables. I plan on going on a 100 day fast from frozen dairy desserts (ice cream and frappuccinos mainly) as those are my biggest weaknesses. (My main rule is that I can indulge in my "fast" foods on special occasions. So, if a friend invites me out for ice cream, then I can have something there, etc. More often than not, when I try these kinds of fasts, even when I'm in a situation where I can have the food I'm avoiding, I usually end up skipping it. Of course, I've never done 100 days before. Last time, it was just 30 days or so.
I've also been experimenting with intermittent fasting on a whim. I've been aiming for a 14/10 fast, but in actuality, it's been ranging between 15 and 18 hours of fasting. Today, I broke my fast about 2 hours early, but I'm not overly concerned.0 -
I like how everything else about taking care of your mental health (which is just as important as physical) was totally ignored. Can't say I'm surprised , though.-1
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Part of WW plan is that you'll eat more produce and drink more water, due to being tired of tracking point-laden stuff.
I have never had a frappuccino. I would think given their cost and calories it'd be an easy thing to give up. I bet a lot of people would say that about beer, though, which I do splurge on.
100 days off your weakness foods sounds too "all or nothing". I think it'd be more likely to succeed to sub in lowfat frozen yogurt and allow yourself a few a week instead.0 -
Sandytoes71 wrote: »
#NotRocketScience
You chose a weight loss plan that creates a calorie deficit through assigning certain foods a point value and then limiting the number of points. If you want a different way to create a calorie deficit, those are available -- ways of eating that would allow you to have milk or avocado more regularly.
Weight Watchers isn't something that *happened* to you. You chose it.
OMGOSH! THIS!!!! GET OFF WW! [/quote]
And, as I'm sure I've said before, WW was working for me for quite a while, but after measuring and tracking everything I ate (save for fruits and vegetables because those are 0 points), I got so sick and tired of tracking that I shut down, and now I'm having a hard time staying motivated. I've tried easing myself back into it with smaller changes like drinking water and eating fruits and vegetables. I plan on going on a 100 day fast from frozen dairy desserts (ice cream and frappuccinos mainly) as those are my biggest weaknesses. (My main rule is that I can indulge in my "fast" foods on special occasions. So, if a friend invites me out for ice cream, then I can have something there, etc. More often than not, when I try these kinds of fasts, even when I'm in a situation where I can have the food I'm avoiding, I usually end up skipping it. Of course, I've never done 100 days before. Last time, it was just 30 days or so.
I've also been experimenting with intermittent fasting on a whim. I've been aiming for a 14/10 fast, but in actuality, it's been ranging between 15 and 18 hours of fasting. Today, I broke my fast about 2 hours early, but I'm not overly concerned. [/quote]
More arbitrary rules, special exceptions, and reasons why something won't work for you.
Eat more fruits and vegetables and drink more water. Great. Do that.
Why a special 100 day fast on frozen dairy desserts except for random arbitrary times when someone else is inviting you? If you have room in your calories for the day - eat the ice cream or drink the frappucino. Or don't. It doesn't matter. You don't need special rules about having something if it is on a day that ends in Y and the moon is in waning mode and someone else is paying for it or if there are three other people there but not two other people there.
Here are the rules you need again...
Buy Food
Cook Food
Log Food
Eat Food
It is that simple. JFDI.0 -
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Moral of the story: Don't cast your pearls before swine...0
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Not eating ice cream is fasting? Oh...kay...0
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azulvioleta6 wrote: »Not eating ice cream is fasting? Oh...kay...
I'm fasting from frozen dairy desserts. It's one of my biggest trigger foods, and I've been going completely overboard with eating them lately. Every once and a while, I start getting out of control with certain foods, and I need to nearly completely cut them out. (I just can't tell myself I can never have them or I'll binge- so setting parameters is my compromise).
I tried tracking this week. I made it through Sunday before I shut down again. I even tried again on Wednesday while working on my challenge of spending 6 hours actively working out at the gym (though, not intensely). Tracking just doesn't work for me long-term.
I've been doing pretty well with sticking with an 8-10 hour window for eating (averaging 9 hours). I've eaten a little late maybe twice over the past week (one was a late dinner because I got home late; the other was a Birthday celebration last night)- but I've also stopped early most nights. I've only broken my fast early one day (today). I'm also eating less highly processed food (though I haven't cut it out entirely- partially because I'm eating what I have in my freezer.0 -
Stop setting these rules about how you can't eat at certain times or you can't eat certain foods. This is completely missing the point and unnecessary. Why would you think that you can follow rules like that but you can't follow a calorie goal?
Just set MFP to lose 1 lb per week and eat the calories it tells you. This is not rocket science. It is simple. If you keep going over your calorie goal, then you don't really want to lose weight. If you do truly believe you want to lose weight and can't physically keep under a calorie goal, then go see a doctor or a therapist.0 -
There is a religion-free version of yoga. It's called Pilates.0
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azulvioleta6 wrote: »Not eating ice cream is fasting? Oh...kay...
I'm fasting from frozen dairy desserts. It's one of my biggest trigger foods, and I've been going completely overboard with eating them lately. Every once and a while, I start getting out of control with certain foods, and I need to nearly completely cut them out. (I just can't tell myself I can never have them or I'll binge- so setting parameters is my compromise).
I tried tracking this week. I made it through Sunday before I shut down again. I even tried again on Wednesday while working on my challenge of spending 6 hours actively working out at the gym (though, not intensely). Tracking just doesn't work for me long-term.
I've been doing pretty well with sticking with an 8-10 hour window for eating (averaging 9 hours). I've eaten a little late maybe twice over the past week (one was a late dinner because I got home late; the other was a Birthday celebration last night)- but I've also stopped early most nights. I've only broken my fast early one day (today). I'm also eating less highly processed food (though I haven't cut it out entirely- partially because I'm eating what I have in my freezer.
Skipping dessert is not fasting. It is not even in the same universe as fasting.
Spending 6 hours at the gym doesn't sound insane at all...
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Six hours at the gym? I thought you didn't have any time to spare?
I spend 6 hours a WEEK working out.
I agree... get off WW and just use myfitnesspal. Pre-weigh and log your foods and STOP demonizing foods. WW is NOT working for you anymore. Ditch it. Weighing foods is not excessive, it's accurate and helps to keep one on track. If you're invited (or whatever) to dinner, ask what will be on the menu. Ask how foods have been prepared and take notes. If you're cooking at someone else's, eat what everyone else eats, but weigh and write down the weights of the foods for you as you are cooking them. Or, if you know you'll be over at dinner the day before, make room for dinner by sparing a few calories.
If you really want this, you'l do all it takes to get there. I had excuses...that's how I got 130lbs overweight. Almost 80lbs down now because I moved boulders. You can move boulders too.
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OP you're making this much more difficult then it needs to be. This is why there are so many yo yo dieters out there. It all gets too hard and they throw in the towel.
Losing weight is simple, NOT easy, but a simple game of numbers.
ETA: I would never, ever take my own food to someone else's house if they had invited me over for dinner. A little bit of pre planning and common sense and you're good to go.0 -
You can afford a gym but you can't afford to seek out professional help?
Also, are you saying your challenge is 6 hours of gym time in a week or day, because it's unclear.
I think you're setting way too many rules, among other things...0 -
I think you're setting way too many rules, among other things...
The more rules you have, the more excuses she needs to make. OP will love this!
Seriously, how can the OP not see this?
Every post is a litany of:
I'll do this, but I can't because...
I'll do that, but I can't because...
I'll do this, but I can't because...
I'll do that, but I can't because...
I'll do this, but I can't because...
I'll do that, but I can't because...
I'll do this, but I can't because...
I'll do that, but I can't because...
Yes but yes but yes but yes but yes but yes but yes but etc etc etc
JFDI.0 -
Stop setting these rules about how you can't eat at certain times or you can't eat certain foods. This is completely missing the point and unnecessary. Why would you think that you can follow rules like that but you can't follow a calorie goal?
Just set MFP to lose 1 lb per week and eat the calories it tells you. This is not rocket science. It is simple. If you keep going over your calorie goal, then you don't really want to lose weight. If you do truly believe you want to lose weight and can't physically keep under a calorie goal, then go see a doctor or a therapist.
It sounds like she's trying to figure out a plan that lets her lose weight while still eating as much as she likes of at least many kinds of dishes, imho.
OP, I know that sounds harsh, but it really does sound that way. Why did you 'shut down' on logging again? If it had to do with never being able to fit in what all you want, welcome to the club
But I bet you try to cut too many calories at once, too. And you probably haven't figured out what foods you can use to bulk out your diet that are low calorie. Does it suck to not get to have a really full breakfast, lunch and dinner with dessert every single day? Well, yes.
And no. If you do it reasonably (not too big a deficit) for a while, your tastes and appetite do change. And then the last bit is willpower, which is really hard for 99% of us, so you aren't alone; I promise. I have a tray of peanut butter Oreos not 20 feet away that I'd love to dig into right now. I always want to dig into some treat, but then my goals don't get reached. And nobody needs peanut butter Oreos every day (particularly with hyperglycemia!).
The 'treat' can be a big portion size of most any food, btw. I highly recommend a big pot of cooked greens with nothing but 1 tsp of olive oil (and some wine vinegar) if you need a 'trick'. Or Roma tomatoes. Those are my go-to foods when I'm just needing a big quantity to much on or either a snack to curb hunger. There are all kinds of similar tricks that do help for real.0 -
I think you're setting way too many rules, among other things...
The more rules you have, the more excuses she needs to make. OP will love this!
Seriously, how can the OP not see this?
Every post is a litany of:
I'll do this, but I can't because...
I'll do that, but I can't because...
I'll do this, but I can't because...
I'll do that, but I can't because...
I'll do this, but I can't because...
I'll do that, but I can't because...
I'll do this, but I can't because...
I'll do that, but I can't because...
Yes but yes but yes but yes but yes but yes but yes but etc etc etc
JFDI.
Amen.0 -
You speak of challenges, but I don't think you really understand what the term means, related to personal change. A challenge is meant to be something you stretch to attain and that fosters healthy behaviors. It is not meant to be radical change that breaks you. Spending 25% more time at the gym, or working out four days per week instead of two or three are both challenges.
Spending six hours at the gym isn't a challenge. It's a sickness. Abstaining from ice cream unless some complicated rules are met isn't a challenge. It is a disordered relationship with food.0 -
azulvioleta6 wrote: »Not eating ice cream is fasting? Oh...kay...
I'm fasting from frozen dairy desserts. It's one of my biggest trigger foods, and I've been going completely overboard with eating them lately. Every once and a while, I start getting out of control with certain foods, and I need to nearly completely cut them out. (I just can't tell myself I can never have them or I'll binge- so setting parameters is my compromise).
I tried tracking this week. I made it through Sunday before I shut down again. I even tried again on Wednesday while working on my challenge of spending 6 hours actively working out at the gym (though, not intensely). Tracking just doesn't work for me long-term.
I've been doing pretty well with sticking with an 8-10 hour window for eating (averaging 9 hours). I've eaten a little late maybe twice over the past week (one was a late dinner because I got home late; the other was a Birthday celebration last night)- but I've also stopped early most nights. I've only broken my fast early one day (today). I'm also eating less highly processed food (though I haven't cut it out entirely- partially because I'm eating what I have in my freezer.
Okay, I'm going to say this out loud.
You have been making posts like this for years. Literally for years. And while you've lost some weight, you're still heavy.
At this point, I don't think I exaggerate much if at all when I say that, over the years you've been posting, literally every weight loss strategy that has ever taken a pound weight off a human being now living has been recommended to you. Everything. You've been given snack, meal, and time management ideas. You've been given support. You've been given tough love. You've been given tough not-so-love. You've blown all of the advice off - too expensive, you don't have time, it won't fit into your lifestyle, you just don't wanna.
I think it's probably time to give some thought to the idea that being thin is just not a realistic or achievable goal for you at this point in your life.
Maybe someday it will be, who knows. But your lifestyle supports you at the weight you're at, and all your posts boil down to tips and tricks for getting a thin person's body while still leading a fat person's lifestyle. That isn't going to work. Get some professional help and learn to love yourself at the size you're at. You're going to be there for a while, it looks like.0
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