Apple cider vinegar!
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Spoiler alert: None of these recent threads has found favour with the notion that ACV does anything for weight loss
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10682251/apple-cider-vinegar-detox
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10660585/apple-cider-vinegar-review
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10616770/apple-cider-vinegar
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10620157/apple-cider-vinegar-and-chia-seeds
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10582078/apple-cider-vinegar
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10642610/apple-cider-vinegar
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10595307/apple-cider-vinegar
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10672555/apple-cider-vinegar
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10632728/apple-cider-vinegar-for-weight-loss5 -
It does damage the enamel on your teeth. If you drink a lot you eventually end up with damaged teeth and will have problems eating, or drinking. So I guess there's a tangible effect after all.4
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Thanks guys0
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I tried it for a month and it made no difference whatsoever. I stopped because I started having this weird aftertaste constantly all day long, no matter what I did0
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johnslater461 wrote: »
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From Wikipedia:
"Folk medicine[edit]
"Apple cider vinegar has been used as a folk remedy over centuries.[1] Since the 1970s, it has been promoted with a number of health claims, including that it can aid weight loss and prevent infection.[1] No claims of benefit are supported by good evidence, and medicinal consumption of apple cider vinegar may be hazardous, particularly if taken during pregnancy or consumed chronically.[1] "
Safety
Ingestion of the acetic acid in tablet form poses a risk of possible injury to soft tissues of the mouth, throat, stomach, and kidneys.[2] Using vinegar or acetic acid solutions for topical treatment, ear cleaning solutions, or eye washes are contraindicated"
Just because something has been "used for centuries" doesn't make it effective or even safe. For centuries, people did blood-letting for numerous diseases, used urine for wounds and prescribed poisons for other conditions.
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If you use it to make a salad dressing it be fewer calories than ranch or Caesar...
If u drink it straight and it makes you too sick to eat your food, then I guess that would help achieve a calorie deficit.
But really, no it does not help with weight loss more than any other food. Weightloss comes down to calorie deficit and unfortunately, there are no foods that cause calories to "not count" or magically disappear before your body can use them.3 -
Look, I'm all "ACV doesn't help weight loss and lacks proof for other benefits (except recipe ingredient)", but over-demonizing the stuff just weakens the argument.
For an otherwise healthy person, commercial standardized-to-5% vinegar is very unlikely to cause harm, in reasonable quantities, even taken straight. (I'm not talking about vinegar tablets or other strange supplement forms, about which I know nothing. I'm talking about regular culinary vinegar, including the much-criticized over-hyped Bragg's ACV).
ACV at the standard commercial 5% dilution runs around pH 3.3-3.5 (some other vinegars can be lower, i.e., more acidic), as I understand it. (Diluting it with water raises the pH, making it less acidic, since water is higher pH).
What else is similarly or more acidic? Just to name a few: Several flavors of Vitamin Water, PowerAde, GatorAde, Ocean Spray Cran-whatever juices, V-8 Splash; Dole Pineapple Juice and a bunch of other juices; Rockstar and some other energy drinks; some Nestea and Arizona teas; lots of soda pops; and many other common drinks. Some people sip those other things all day long; relatively few do that with ACV.
This "destroying tooth enamel" thing comes up every time someone brings up ACV. There are lots of unscientific claims about ACV, but countering with the "tooth enamel" thing isn't a super-duper counterargument IMO, taken in context of other common beverages. Same for esophageal damage, harm to stomach, etc.
Clearly, limiting all corrosive drinks is a good plan (according to the ADA), but ACV isn't likely a special scary case.
https://www.ada.org/en/~/media/ADA/Public Programs/Files/JADA_The pH of beverages in the United States
Still no scientific evidence it helps with weight loss, though.
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Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.11 -
Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen. 6 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen.
I think the snake oil salesman had a better profit margin on his product.4 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen.
I think the snake oil salesman had a better profit margin on his product.
What the modern day snake oil salesman lacks in profit margin, he more than makes up for in volume.
Econ 101
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen.
I think the snake oil salesman had a better profit margin on his product.
The Bragg family is doing extremely well with the ridiculously high profit margin they have on their vinegar (when not paying fines for copyright infringement). $8 for a quart of vinegar????1 -
Wow, it's been a while since we had an ACV thread on the forums. Used to have two or three a day.
There is no weight loss benefit from drinking ACV. However, some studies have found a small benefit in how it impacts the digestion of carbs, which may be of use to diabetics. I am a diabetic so I tried it for two weeks (since I already own some and like the flavor), while testing my blood glucose, and if there is a benefit it's too small to be noticeable in my case.7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Wow, it's been a while since we had an ACV thread on the forums. Used to have two or three a day.
January is not far away.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen.
I think the snake oil salesman had a better profit margin on his product.
The Bragg family is doing extremely well with the ridiculously high profit margin they have on their vinegar (when not paying fines for copyright infringement). $8 for a quart of vinegar????
And how many products get to be displayed prominently in two areas of the store simply by slapping a different label on the bottle? At least at the Safeway where I shop, you can find Bragg's in the vinegar section along with all the other vinegars, and you can find it in the health food/energy/protein supplement section as well with a different label touting the borderline legal bs health claims.
I bet the company employs an entire department devoted to pushing the various health myths on every social media platform via it's own vloggers and media personalities.
Next time I'm in the store I'm going to check to see if there's a difference in price depending on where to product is displayed - never thought of that before.3 -
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen.
I think the snake oil salesman had a better profit margin on his product.
The Bragg family is doing extremely well with the ridiculously high profit margin they have on their vinegar (when not paying fines for copyright infringement). $8 for a quart of vinegar????
I have never bought any so I had no idea of the cost. Nothing fancy about what type we used but I think I interacted more with vinegar when dying Easter eggs years ago. So it is possible that it cured me then of what I didn't know I had in the first place.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen.
I think the snake oil salesman had a better profit margin on his product.
The Bragg family is doing extremely well with the ridiculously high profit margin they have on their vinegar (when not paying fines for copyright infringement). $8 for a quart of vinegar????
You're paying for 'the mother.' Mrs. Bragg in this case?
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Personal testimony: Those McClary things are delish with vodka and soda, maybe (depending on McClary choice) a citrus wedge. Yum.
I have their sampler.
Haven't been to Italy, but an Italian-American friend says they have vinegar bars where you can sip a variety of drinking vinegars.
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A tasting of vinegars at a vinegar bar?
Oh dear.
I get that some people truly enjoy the stuff, but I won't pretend that the enjoyment of vinegar is anything I can understand.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A tasting of vinegars at a vinegar bar?
Oh dear.
I get that some people truly enjoy the stuff, but I won't pretend that the enjoyment of vinegar is anything I can understand.
I feel the same about Olive Oil samples. Not a lot of point in tasting olive oil by itself, 'm more interested in it's impact on the food I'm eating. But they exist.
Huh. Google suggests the one closest to me is both oil & vinegar.0 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen.
I think the snake oil salesman had a better profit margin on his product.
The Bragg family is doing extremely well with the ridiculously high profit margin they have on their vinegar (when not paying fines for copyright infringement). $8 for a quart of vinegar????
You're paying for 'the mother.' Mrs. Bragg in this case?
There's likely mother in any raw vinegar, not just Bragg's.1 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A tasting of vinegars at a vinegar bar?
Oh dear.
I get that some people truly enjoy the stuff, but I won't pretend that the enjoyment of vinegar is anything I can understand.
I feel the same about Olive Oil samples. Not a lot of point in tasting olive oil by itself, 'm more interested in it's impact on the food I'm eating. But they exist.
Huh. Google suggests the one closest to me is both oil & vinegar.
There's a place like that in my neighborhood and some other nearby neighborhoods. I think they are fun.2 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A tasting of vinegars at a vinegar bar?
Oh dear.
I get that some people truly enjoy the stuff, but I won't pretend that the enjoyment of vinegar is anything I can understand.
I feel the same about Olive Oil samples. Not a lot of point in tasting olive oil by itself, 'm more interested in it's impact on the food I'm eating. But they exist.
Huh. Google suggests the one closest to me is both oil & vinegar.
Every time I've been at one they have bread you can dip into the oil and vinegar. I enjoy it, but I'm a fan of both vinegar and olive oil.1 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A tasting of vinegars at a vinegar bar?
Oh dear.
I get that some people truly enjoy the stuff, but I won't pretend that the enjoyment of vinegar is anything I can understand.
I feel the same about Olive Oil samples. Not a lot of point in tasting olive oil by itself, 'm more interested in it's impact on the food I'm eating. But they exist.
Huh. Google suggests the one closest to me is both oil & vinegar.
One of the more interesting things I did was at a winery in South Africa. They had the usual wine tasting but they also had an option to do an olive oil tasting/blending. They are big on promoting different varietals, not just the blended olive oil typically available. We tasted several different ones and made our own blend based on what we liked. It included a 750ml bottle of our own blend. I never realized how different olive oils were until I tasted some from specific species of olive tree.4 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen.
I think the snake oil salesman had a better profit margin on his product.
The Bragg family is doing extremely well with the ridiculously high profit margin they have on their vinegar (when not paying fines for copyright infringement). $8 for a quart of vinegar????
For amusement value, I checked at the store (local health food-ish general grocery with a rep for reasonable but not discount pricing for the range they offer).
All of the raw organic ACVs, big name (including Bragg) and store brands were about the same price per bottle, $6.99. One (not Bragg) was $7.49; one brand, new to that store, was on sale for $4.79 (regular $6.19). I didn't check to see if all were exactly a quart, just eyeballed for similarity.
I didn't check the supplement department, but I don't recall seeing vinegar there in the past, not that I was looking. There are ACV "tonics", but they're just fancy soda pop, not comparable.
Heinz non-organic filtered (no mother) ACV is $2.49 for the same size bottle at the local value chain.
FWIW.0 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »Think of it as a general tonic rather than a PH balancer or a weight loss supplement.
I think if it was proven to help a person to lose weight it would be flying off the shelves and commanding a steep price at the cash register, which of course it is not.
There is no magic aid to weight loss, just perseverance and a lot of healthy food and exercise.
Why, when it isn't?
"General tonics" were sold at circuses and public gatherings in the 1800's for decades. We now know those fraudsters by a different name - snake oil salesmen.
I think the snake oil salesman had a better profit margin on his product.
The Bragg family is doing extremely well with the ridiculously high profit margin they have on their vinegar (when not paying fines for copyright infringement). $8 for a quart of vinegar????
And how many products get to be displayed prominently in two areas of the store simply by slapping a different label on the bottle? At least at the Safeway where I shop, you can find Bragg's in the vinegar section along with all the other vinegars, and you can find it in the health food/energy/protein supplement section as well with a different label touting the borderline legal bs health claims.
I bet the company employs an entire department devoted to pushing the various health myths on every social media platform via it's own vloggers and media personalities.
Next time I'm in the store I'm going to check to see if there's a difference in price depending on where to product is displayed - never thought of that before.
For the same product to have different prices in a normal supermarket where item UPCs are scanned, the bottles would have to have different UPC codes, and I very much doubt this is the case.0 -
$5.98 for a quart of Bragg's at my Walmart.0
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