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  • freda666
    freda666 Posts: 338 Member
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    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    freda78 wrote: »
    DancingMoosie wrote: »
    Psychgrrl wrote: »
    DancingMoosie wrote: »
    We just got some extra dry beans, rice, and gallon jugs of water. We aren't really afraid of the virus, but more of the panicked shoppers that might clear the shelves, lol.

    I don’t get the stocking up in water for most folks. Since when does a potential quarantine come with a utility shut off?

    I live in a rural area and we have a private company for our water supply that isn't always reliable. Having extra water isn't going to hurt anyone, especially if we wake up to the water being off or coming in off-color.

    Where I live in the UK there is zero chance the water will get turned off and it is good quality, yet people are still panic buying bottles of the stuff. It seems to be a sort of madness where some people simply cannot help themselves.

    Where do the chemicals that treat your water come from and how do they get there? Supply chain disruption?

    Now the chances may be minimal, but my third grade teacher told us that if a test question said something "never or 0% chance" it could happen, false is the correct answer.

    You are, if I may be so bold, being somewhat over dramatic and it is your sort of comments that are causing the ridiculous panic that is seeing toilet paper disappearing off shelves across the western world.

    If I was not seeing it for myself I would never have believed people would behave like they are currently behaving, but there you are.
  • bearly63
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    I feel bad for the small businesses that rely on annual events to make the majority of money for the whole year. SXSW cancellation will hurt a lot of small businesses, bars, restaurants, bands, uber drivers, etc. I am hoping locals go out next week and eat and drink and listen to music....won't replace the huge losses but its something.


    The service sector in general is going to take a huge hit.

    And I also hope that it doesn't interfere with our Nov. or even primary elections. :D
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 8,999 Member
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    This was Friday - entire aisle of toilet paper down to 4 small packets.
    yesterday (coudn't be bothered taking another photo) - totally empty
    Every supermarket in town is the same.

    I think there is next to zero chance of any disruption to South Australia tap water supply and I have a rain water tank anyway - but I had no problem buying 60 bottles of bottled water for our sports club. (that is as usual, nothing to do with coronavirus)

    For some bizarre reason, Australians have just gotten totally carried away on the toilet paper hoarding :o
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
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    paperpudding wrote: »
    This was Friday - entire aisle of toilet paper down to 4 small packets.
    yesterday (coudn't be bothered taking another photo) - totally empty
    Every supermarket in town is the same.

    I think there is next to zero chance of any disruption to South Australia tap water supply and I have a rain water tank anyway - but I had no problem buying 60 bottles of bottled water for our sports club. (that is as usual, nothing to do with coronavirus)

    For some bizarre reason, Australians have just gotten totally carried away on the toilet paper hoarding :o

    I really wish we still had the 'awesome' button (though, obviously not awesome for people who actually need loo paper!).
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,565 Member
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    snickerscharlie wrote: »
    Lillymoo01 wrote: »
    I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

    I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

    What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

    I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
    imagine?

    I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

    But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

    Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

    I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

    Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
    Our children will thank us for it.

    https://www.facebook.com/abdu.sharkawy/posts/2809958409125474?__tn__=,dH-R-R&eid=ARBOWPj71gA1ObjfZlXOXyWThC52Mt6U38slWK3w0VkylOu5m39gyZVqWSJaqVPpIimUaGEaEddG7DxN

    I can't like this post enough. Thanks! <3

    Absolutely! Thanks @lillymoo01 for such a well-thought-out, rational approach.
  • Lillymoo01
    Lillymoo01 Posts: 2,865 Member
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    paperpudding wrote: »
    This was Friday - entire aisle of toilet paper down to 4 small packets.
    yesterday (coudn't be bothered taking another photo) - totally empty
    Every supermarket in town is the same.

    I think there is next to zero chance of any disruption to South Australia tap water supply and I have a rain water tank anyway - but I had no problem buying 60 bottles of bottled water for our sports club. (that is as usual, nothing to do with coronavirus)

    For some bizarre reason, Australians have just gotten totally carried away on the toilet paper hoarding :o

    I don't understand this water thing. If you rely on bottled water for your drinking water supply it makes sense to always have a few weeks supply in case of emergency and top this up as you go along. If you were really paranoid about losing your water supply (which is only really likely as a result of a natural disaster than a virus) then just make sure you have a couple of large containers filled with water from your tap instead.
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
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    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    snickerscharlie wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    Anyway, I legit needed toilet paper, so I grabbed some at Walmart (no shortage here BTW). But I felt like I wanted to tell everyone I walked past " I'm not hoarding it! I just ran out of toilet paper. Look, I'm getting eyeliner and a pint of Ben & Jerry's I'm going to eat right when I get home." :lol:

    I'm finally buying it today because I need it too, and plan to get some extra because it's nice to have plenty around the house to avoid having to ever be low on it, and similarly I am afraid it will look like hoarding. Oh, well. ;-)

    I'll only stock up when my favourite brand goes on sale. I find things like toilet paper are ridiculously expensive otherwise. Even before this poop show happened. ;)

    I was in two stores today (NOT hoarding) and bought some TP. There was plenty at both, although I did notice at WF (not at the other store) that there were some "needing to be restocked" areas of the paper products and some of the frozen food was nearly sold out. I don't know if that's hoarding or them just being slow about restocking or even people at home ordering a bunch for delivery.

    The WF was about as crowded as normal at the time I went, and no one I saw in line seemed to be hoarding anything but just buying the usual array of stuff.

    I went to our normal grocery store yesterday and it seemed fine. I kind of felt weird because I am a volume eater and I buy a big volume of food. I am not hoarding anything.

    I think hoarding instigate more. A perfectly rational person may not be scared of the virus but may be scared of not being able to get certain staples because others are frantically buying it all. So then they start buying extra which scares the next rational person into doing the same.

  • kq1981
    kq1981 Posts: 1,098 Member
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    DecadeDuchess wrote: »
    kq1981 wrote: »
    Exactly @missysippy930 Hand hygiene and cough etiquette is imperative! For people who may think they have the virus they aren’t leper’s, which in my line of work I have found people feel they are. I also do hope people who are worried and have travelled to high risk countries and are symptomatic think of others before running to supermarkets, going out and about, rocking up to a large doctors clinic without putting a mask on ect I’m a nurse and have found that unfortunately people DONT adhere to instructions from health departments and put public at risk by not following instructions. I definitely won’t start buying millions of rolls of toilet paper, but I will be conscious of clean hands and real news from reputable sources, not face book. Still, it’s scary times

    I really wish that doctor's office waiting areas, wouldn't have toys because healthy children just there for their routine visit then play with the same toys, that the children that're there because they're sick then also play with.
    DecadeDuchess wrote: »
    kq1981 wrote: »
    Exactly @missysippy930 Hand hygiene and cough etiquette is imperative! For people who may think they have the virus they aren’t leper’s, which in my line of work I have found people feel they are. I also do hope people who are worried and have travelled to high risk countries and are symptomatic think of others before running to supermarkets, going out and about, rocking up to a large doctors clinic without putting a mask on ect I’m a nurse and have found that unfortunately people DONT adhere to instructions from health departments and put public at risk by not following instructions. I definitely won’t start buying millions of rolls of toilet paper, but I will be conscious of clean hands and real news from reputable sources, not face book. Still, it’s scary times

    I really wish that doctor's office waiting areas, wouldn't have toys because healthy children just there for their routine visit then play with the same toys, that the children that're there because they're sick then also play with.

    I understand where yr coming from, the same can be said for the magazines that are left for people to browse, especially sick adults who read them and don’t wash their hands. The toys at my clinic are wiped with antibacterial wipes at the end of the day and during lunch and some times the wait to see a dr, dependant on a patients needs, can be long so kids get really bored unfortunately and I guess that’s all clinics can do to help parents cope with bored kids. Teaching kids hand hygiene can help as far as playing with toys, there’s plenty of hand sanitizer at our clinic and we’ve put posters up reminding everyone to use it.
  • kq1981
    kq1981 Posts: 1,098 Member
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    paperpudding wrote: »
    This was Friday - entire aisle of toilet paper down to 4 small packets.
    yesterday (coudn't be bothered taking another photo) - totally empty
    Every supermarket in town is the same.

    I think there is next to zero chance of any disruption to South Australia tap water supply and I have a rain water tank anyway - but I had no problem buying 60 bottles of bottled water for our sports club. (that is as usual, nothing to do with coronavirus)

    For some bizarre reason, Australians have just gotten totally carried away on the toilet paper hoarding :o

    Totally agree. I’m from Tasmania, we’ve had one confirmed case and the shelves in half the supermarkets in Launceston looked like this. We’ve even had to hide toilet paper at work and refill through the day because people have been taking it. It’s absolutely bizarre.
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,565 Member
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    earlnabby wrote: »
    mph323 wrote: »
    After seeing the drama over hand sanitizer I started going through the house collecting all the little bottles I've bought and forgot about over the years, and let me tell you I could make a fortune on Ebay if I wasn't hoarding them for myself :D

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    :D:D:D
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 8,999 Member
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    Lillymoo01 wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    This was Friday - entire aisle of toilet paper down to 4 small packets.
    yesterday (coudn't be bothered taking another photo) - totally empty
    Every supermarket in town is the same.

    I think there is next to zero chance of any disruption to South Australia tap water supply and I have a rain water tank anyway - but I had no problem buying 60 bottles of bottled water for our sports club. (that is as usual, nothing to do with coronavirus)

    For some bizarre reason, Australians have just gotten totally carried away on the toilet paper hoarding :o

    I don't understand this water thing. If you rely on bottled water for your drinking water supply it makes sense to always have a few weeks supply in case of emergency and top this up as you go along. If you were really paranoid about losing your water supply (which is only really likely as a result of a natural disaster than a virus) then just make sure you have a couple of large containers filled with water from your tap instead.

    Oh I agree.

    My buying of 60 bottles of water had nothing to do with hoarding and is something I do every few weeks all year for our sports club to sell to people playing sport.

    My point in saying that was just to show nothing else other than hand sanitiser ( somewhat understandable ) and toilet paper ( not understandable but totally bizarre) seems to have been mass bought by the Australian public.

  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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    https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2020-03/documents/sars-cov-2-list_03-03-2020.pdf
  • Lillymoo01
    Lillymoo01 Posts: 2,865 Member
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    paperpudding wrote: »
    Lillymoo01 wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    This was Friday - entire aisle of toilet paper down to 4 small packets.
    yesterday (coudn't be bothered taking another photo) - totally empty
    Every supermarket in town is the same.

    I think there is next to zero chance of any disruption to South Australia tap water supply and I have a rain water tank anyway - but I had no problem buying 60 bottles of bottled water for our sports club. (that is as usual, nothing to do with coronavirus)

    For some bizarre reason, Australians have just gotten totally carried away on the toilet paper hoarding :o

    I don't understand this water thing. If you rely on bottled water for your drinking water supply it makes sense to always have a few weeks supply in case of emergency and top this up as you go along. If you were really paranoid about losing your water supply (which is only really likely as a result of a natural disaster than a virus) then just make sure you have a couple of large containers filled with water from your tap instead.

    Oh I agree.

    My buying of 60 bottles of water had nothing to do with hoarding and is something I do every few weeks all year for our sports club to sell to people playing sport.

    My point in saying that was just to show nothing else other than hand sanitiser ( somewhat understandable ) and toilet paper ( not understandable but totally bizarre) seems to have been mass bought by the Australian public.

    I knew that this was a regular purchase for your sporting club and fully agree that the hand sanitizer is what makes the most sense. In saying that 1 large bottle should be well and truly enough for the average household as this will give a few months supply.
  • kshama2001
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    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    This was Friday - entire aisle of toilet paper down to 4 small packets.
    yesterday (coudn't be bothered taking another photo) - totally empty
    Every supermarket in town is the same.

    I think there is next to zero chance of any disruption to South Australia tap water supply and I have a rain water tank anyway - but I had no problem buying 60 bottles of bottled water for our sports club. (that is as usual, nothing to do with coronavirus)

    For some bizarre reason, Australians have just gotten totally carried away on the toilet paper hoarding :o

    I really wish we still had the 'awesome' button (though, obviously not awesome for people who actually need loo paper!).

    If you hover over the hug button it says "awesome," so often when I click hug I really mean awesome, like for the Stephen King graphic above :D:D:D
  • DecadeDuchess
    DecadeDuchess Posts: 315 Member
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    kq1981 wrote: »
    DecadeDuchess wrote: »
    kq1981 wrote: »
    Exactly @missysippy930 Hand hygiene and cough etiquette is imperative! For people who may think they have the virus they aren’t leper’s, which in my line of work I have found people feel they are. I also do hope people who are worried and have travelled to high risk countries and are symptomatic think of others before running to supermarkets, going out and about, rocking up to a large doctors clinic without putting a mask on ect I’m a nurse and have found that unfortunately people DONT adhere to instructions from health departments and put public at risk by not following instructions. I definitely won’t start buying millions of rolls of toilet paper, but I will be conscious of clean hands and real news from reputable sources, not face book. Still, it’s scary times

    I really wish that doctor's office waiting areas, wouldn't have toys because healthy children just there for their routine visit then play with the same toys, that the children that're there because they're sick then also play with.
    DecadeDuchess wrote: »
    kq1981 wrote: »
    Exactly @missysippy930 Hand hygiene and cough etiquette is imperative! For people who may think they have the virus they aren’t leper’s, which in my line of work I have found people feel they are. I also do hope people who are worried and have travelled to high risk countries and are symptomatic think of others before running to supermarkets, going out and about, rocking up to a large doctors clinic without putting a mask on ect I’m a nurse and have found that unfortunately people DONT adhere to instructions from health departments and put public at risk by not following instructions. I definitely won’t start buying millions of rolls of toilet paper, but I will be conscious of clean hands and real news from reputable sources, not face book. Still, it’s scary times

    I really wish that doctor's office waiting areas, wouldn't have toys because healthy children just there for their routine visit then play with the same toys, that the children that're there because they're sick then also play with.

    I understand where yr coming from, the same can be said for the magazines that are left for people to browse, especially sick adults who read them and don’t wash their hands. The toys at my clinic are wiped with antibacterial wipes at the end of the day and during lunch and some times the wait to see a dr, dependant on a patients needs, can be long so kids get really bored unfortunately and I guess that’s all clinics can do to help parents cope with bored kids. Teaching kids hand hygiene can help as far as playing with toys, there’s plenty of hand sanitizer at our clinic and we’ve put posters up reminding everyone to use it.

    Of course, adults also. That definitely helps, to minimize exposure. I never thought to bring a toy via home, when I was a child but once school began, we brought our homework. My Nephew's Mother did take 1 of her children's toys, to the emergency room, they didn't share it with anyone there & we disinfected it, afterwards.

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