Coronavirus prep
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tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Been lurking in this thread for a couple of days, thought I'd drop in the latest from Ireland. At the time of writing we have around 34 confirmed cases in the Republic (South of Ireland) and there are further cases in Northern Ireland (which fall under the UK's stats).
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Schools and universities are open as normal. There has been no overall ban on large gatherings. There was a huge unnecessary political debate between the IRFU and the Minister for Health about the cancellation of the Six Nations Ireland v Italy game, with noone initially wanting to take responsibility for the cancellation of the game. The St Patrick's parades were going to go ahead, then they weren't, then they were and now have finally been cancelled.
Panic buying seems to be a bit hit and miss, some commuter towns have absolutely no toilet roll, pasta, etc on the shelves but city centre supermarkets are pretty quiet compared to normal with full stocks of everything.
I keep a mild interest in the media around it for work purposes (I deal with international travel for our employees) but I get most of my facts and figures from this site, which deals mostly in just stats without the fear-mongering sensationalist headlines. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and keep an eye on major airlines sites such as Cathay Pacific to see what the story is with current travel restrictions.
I am not in the panic stage myself, I have some meals prepped in the chest freezer, adequate normal supplies of cleaning products and consumables, as I normally buy large packs anyway to cut down on plastic waste. I am of the opinion that it is here now, it is going to affect us all at some stage whether directly or indirectly, we can just do our best to minimise the risk to ourselves and to those around us by practicing good hygiene, sensible risk assessment and doing what we can to maximise the effectiveness of the immune system through decent sleep, healthy diet, exercise, etc.
Just heard: now we know it is bad because the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Chicago was just cancelled. The New York one, which has been held every year since 1762, so far is still happening. If they shut that one down, we know the Apocalypse is upon us.
Or, perhaps, if the New York one is not cancelled, that decision will bring the Apocalypse upon us.
(^^^ Intended as a wry, dark-humor joke. Clearly, authorities' role in managing large-attendance events is a serious consideration when it comes to the spread of the virus, and each decision is nuanced and specific. I hope they are well-advised by true experts. While I think authorities are capable of bad decisions (of course), I think it's much more common for some non-experts' "gut feelings" (mistaken for reasoning or common sense) to be less functional than the reasoning of experts who've studied and worked in a field for years to decades, and for some of those non-experts to trumpet their views, arrogantly, as more true and sensible than the eggheads'. Possible? Sure. Likely? No.)
No matter what decision they make it will be judged in hindsight like many of the other decisions have been. It is always easy to know what the right choice is/was if you know the outcome. It might always seem like erring on the side of caution is prudent but if we all did that we would be permanently paralyzed because there is no safe. How many people in lock down areas will die in their homes alone because they were not in public when they had a medical emergency like a heart attack or stroke?
Although I don't think people should completely lock themselves in their houses (unless mandated or officially encouraged), canceling large events and celebrations is common sense if we are to contain this. This isn't about personal risk - nobody is safe anywhere, it's about slowing down the spread and flattening the curve. It isn't just about the virus itself, either. When you get an outbreak that continues to tax the healthcare system, even those who have a medical emergency in public may not get adequate care.19 -
cmriverside wrote: »CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Been lurking in this thread for a couple of days, thought I'd drop in the latest from Ireland. At the time of writing we have around 34 confirmed cases in the Republic (South of Ireland) and there are further cases in Northern Ireland (which fall under the UK's stats).
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Schools and universities are open as normal. There has been no overall ban on large gatherings. There was a huge unnecessary political debate between the IRFU and the Minister for Health about the cancellation of the Six Nations Ireland v Italy game, with noone initially wanting to take responsibility for the cancellation of the game. The St Patrick's parades were going to go ahead, then they weren't, then they were and now have finally been cancelled.
Panic buying seems to be a bit hit and miss, some commuter towns have absolutely no toilet roll, pasta, etc on the shelves but city centre supermarkets are pretty quiet compared to normal with full stocks of everything.
I keep a mild interest in the media around it for work purposes (I deal with international travel for our employees) but I get most of my facts and figures from this site, which deals mostly in just stats without the fear-mongering sensationalist headlines. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and keep an eye on major airlines sites such as Cathay Pacific to see what the story is with current travel restrictions.
I am not in the panic stage myself, I have some meals prepped in the chest freezer, adequate normal supplies of cleaning products and consumables, as I normally buy large packs anyway to cut down on plastic waste. I am of the opinion that it is here now, it is going to affect us all at some stage whether directly or indirectly, we can just do our best to minimise the risk to ourselves and to those around us by practicing good hygiene, sensible risk assessment and doing what we can to maximise the effectiveness of the immune system through decent sleep, healthy diet, exercise, etc.
Just heard: now we know it is bad because the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Chicago was just cancelled. The New York one, which has been held every year since 1762, so far is still happening. If they shut that one down, we know the Apocalypse is upon us.
Or, perhaps, if the New York one is not cancelled, that decision will bring the Apocalypse upon us.
(^^^ Intended as a wry, dark-humor joke. Clearly, authorities' role in managing large-attendance events is a serious consideration when it comes to the spread of the virus, and each decision is nuanced and specific. I hope they are well-advised by true experts. While I think authorities are capable of bad decisions (of course), I think it's much more common for some non-experts' "gut feelings" (mistaken for reasoning or common sense) to be less functional than the reasoning of experts who've studied and worked in a field for years to decades, and for some of those non-experts to trumpet their views, arrogantly, as more true and sensible than the eggheads'. Possible? Sure. Likely? No.)
No matter what decision they make it will be judged in hindsight like many of the other decisions have been. It is always easy to know what the right choice is/was if you know the outcome. It might always seem like erring on the side of caution is prudent but if we all did that we would be permanently paralyzed because there is no safe. How many people in lock down areas will die in their homes alone because they were not in public when they had a medical emergency like a heart attack or stroke?
Owning my disagree. I think that avoiding massive crowds during a known and named pandemic is not excessively cautious.
And wherever they get the funds from, if no one comes because of fear of crowds, it will have been a waste of money.
My opinion is obviously to cancel big and crowded events.
The governor of Washington has mandated this as of an hour and a half ago.
Gatherings larger than 250.
Why 250? Is there a reason to believe that 251 will spread the virus more? That smacks of doing something to be seen doing something.
I know. Or 249.
Had to pick some number though, right?
There has been one religious gathering where it spread...and professional baseball is about to get up and running. Right now it's only a ban through March. They probably want to see if it slows the number of new cases.
This is new territory. Not like they have a blueprint for how to treat this virus.10 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
It may well be a forgone conclusion that you'll get it at some point, but the whole point of extra precautions like limiting potential exposure is to slow the rate of infection, so that health care systems aren't overwhelmed and those more at risk of severe symptoms have some hope of getting treatment. It's the socially responsible thing to do.
Yes, that was the first point I made in that post.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
Ah, okay, just sort of read like you weren't going to worry about any sort of social distancing etc to help reduce rate of spread.
Well, no... the only "social distancing" I intend to do is minimize high 5's and hand shaking and such. My next marathon is 3/22, half marathons on 3/29 and 4/4. I intend to go to these unless cancelled. And I am going to work, stores, laundromat, etc. just like always. I am running outside just like always. I'm still washing hands and minimizing touching people and shared surfaces, but not going to completely change my schedules for the cold.
I was with you on this until you stated not changing your schedule for "a cold", because it's not a cold. It's death for 15% of people over 80, and for 7% of people in their 70s, not to mention those who have chronic illnesses. Good on you for watching out for yourself, but please think of others as well.
[ETA: Please see my later post referencing death rates by age from WHO]
The cold has higher mortality rates for people 80+ than for people in their 20's also, I'm sure, without even looking for the statistics.
ETA: If the 80-year old wants to stay home, that is their choice just as it is mine to not change my schedule because some people are getting a new version of cold. Just because something spreads fast, kills a small percentage of those it infects (and higher percentage of older people), I am not going to become a shut-in. I wouldn't do this for the cold, influenze, or norovirus - all 3 of which spread fast and have small mortality rates (higher if older) just like Covid-19.
I DID look that up, and couldn't find any info on death rates. I think if it was 7-15%, it might be easier to find on Dr. Google...
Also, I did state I was with you on not being a shut-in--it's just when you called it "a cold" that I call you out. Sure, call it a cold if you want--a mutated cold that overwhelms hospitals and medical personnel, and kills.
Calling it a cold is a metaphor. Except for public panic, Covid-19 isn't significantly different than the common cold.
But that simply isn't true. The common cold is... common. Covid-19 is by definition a novel virus.
You are assuming it will end up having the same risk factors as a cold. And it's presence out in the world is essentially doubling everyone's risk as it is out there in addition to the regular flu, plus the actual common cold.
Granted, the majority of us have a very small risk of the common cold, the seasonal flu, or probably even the novel virus leading to a more life threatening case of pneumonia or other respiratory infection, so doubling that risk isn't a big deal. As a member of a community, I think it's my responsibility to help the vulnerable in my community mitigate their risk, obviously you don't agree and that's fine. But diminishing the increased risk to the community because it doesn't really affect you isn't necessary. And I doubt you'd find an infectious disease expert or respiratory doctor who would sign off on a novel flu virus being the same risk to vulnerable people as the common cold, though I could certainly be wrong on that.
I'm not assuming anything, I am making conclusions based on what is known about the common cold and about Covid-19.I think it's my responsibility to help the vulnerable in my community mitigate their risk, obviously you don't agree and that's fine.
You came to that conclusion because I refuse to be a shut in?! I suppose if that is your definition... but I can tell you based on my observation that you people who are unwilling to leave home are the minority. So if I am the *kitten* for coming out in public, most other people are *kitten* also.
Legit question because maybe I'm missing something, but can you point me to "what is known"? Because folks in the field don't seem to know it, unless I am clearly misreading something. Not being a medical pro myself, this is quite possible.
There is a huge difference between avoiding crowds and being a shut-in. Regardless, my issue was only how you are downplaying the overall risk because the risk to you personally is in your opinion negligible. I have no doubt that most other people are looking at it the same way, that's why I'm concerned. Anyway, I don't think it's your responsibility to be a shut-in, I apologize if what I typed came out that way.
If you look up-thread, someone posted mortality rates at 0.2% for most of us younger people. There was a news report I was looking at just yesterday about an estimate that 50%-70% of us will eventually get it. A majority someday have it and almost everyone recovers just fine.... sounds like the common cold.
As said before, I will continue hand washing just like before. The only thing I am changing is less human contact in the way of high-5's at races, and hand shaking. I refuse to stay at home indefinitely, as previously explained.5 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
It may well be a forgone conclusion that you'll get it at some point, but the whole point of extra precautions like limiting potential exposure is to slow the rate of infection, so that health care systems aren't overwhelmed and those more at risk of severe symptoms have some hope of getting treatment. It's the socially responsible thing to do.
Yes, that was the first point I made in that post.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
Ah, okay, just sort of read like you weren't going to worry about any sort of social distancing etc to help reduce rate of spread.
Well, no... the only "social distancing" I intend to do is minimize high 5's and hand shaking and such. My next marathon is 3/22, half marathons on 3/29 and 4/4. I intend to go to these unless cancelled. And I am going to work, stores, laundromat, etc. just like always. I am running outside just like always. I'm still washing hands and minimizing touching people and shared surfaces, but not going to completely change my schedules for the cold.
I was with you on this until you stated not changing your schedule for "a cold", because it's not a cold. It's death for 15% of people over 80, and for 7% of people in their 70s, not to mention those who have chronic illnesses. Good on you for watching out for yourself, but please think of others as well.
[ETA: Please see my later post referencing death rates by age from WHO]
The cold has higher mortality rates for people 80+ than for people in their 20's also, I'm sure, without even looking for the statistics.
ETA: If the 80-year old wants to stay home, that is their choice just as it is mine to not change my schedule because some people are getting a new version of cold. Just because something spreads fast, kills a small percentage of those it infects (and higher percentage of older people), I am not going to become a shut-in. I wouldn't do this for the cold, influenze, or norovirus - all 3 of which spread fast and have small mortality rates (higher if older) just like Covid-19.
FYI the mortality rate for diabetics of any age is 7.3%.
You didn't post a source for that statistic, and I couldn't find an answer quickly online, but...would you not agree that coronavirus would increase their risk further?
Sorry for not being clear. That mortality is the reported mortality rate from China for diabetic patients with Coronavirus of all ages. It’s on the same article which was posted above mine under “comorbidites.” So, if you are a diabetic and get this, you have about a one in fourteen chance of death. Diabetes is the second largest single factor in comorbity following heart disease. That to me is an unacceptably high risk.
I was responding to a diabetic and I am one myself. If you are a diabetic you should be taking special precautions because you are in a high risk category.
If this disease is similar to flu, having your diabetes well controlled makes little difference, because the reason for the comorbity has to do with the way a healthy body manipulates glucose stores in order to fight off bacteria and viruses. Diabetics don’t do that in the same way, which makes them more vulnerable to many illnesses.8 -
I would like to remind younger folks that think they'll do just fine with the virus, that if left to run like a house on fire it may morph into something stronger. It' prudent to try and slow it down so it's managable. Northern Italy has seen younger people hit along with the older. I sure hope this thread can keep going without a lock, because I'll be very interested to see everyone's opinions in a couple of weeks or so--I'll bet that they'll change.22
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ladyreva78 wrote: »Switzerland banned gatherings of more than 1000 people a week ago. We're still stuffed like sardines in the commuter trains.
We're 10th in the ranking of case numbers. We're *only* had 3 deaths so far, but that probably was luck more than anything else.
There's talk of the army setting up the emergency hospitals (which are in protected underground locations and are meant to be used in times of war to keep the sick and injured safe).
The mayor of New York City is catching a lot of flack from late night comics for his suggestion to avoid crowded subway cars...because who would CHOOSE that?7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
It may well be a forgone conclusion that you'll get it at some point, but the whole point of extra precautions like limiting potential exposure is to slow the rate of infection, so that health care systems aren't overwhelmed and those more at risk of severe symptoms have some hope of getting treatment. It's the socially responsible thing to do.
Yes, that was the first point I made in that post.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
Ah, okay, just sort of read like you weren't going to worry about any sort of social distancing etc to help reduce rate of spread.
Well, no... the only "social distancing" I intend to do is minimize high 5's and hand shaking and such. My next marathon is 3/22, half marathons on 3/29 and 4/4. I intend to go to these unless cancelled. And I am going to work, stores, laundromat, etc. just like always. I am running outside just like always. I'm still washing hands and minimizing touching people and shared surfaces, but not going to completely change my schedules for the cold.
I was with you on this until you stated not changing your schedule for "a cold", because it's not a cold. It's death for 15% of people over 80, and for 7% of people in their 70s, not to mention those who have chronic illnesses. Good on you for watching out for yourself, but please think of others as well.
[ETA: Please see my later post referencing death rates by age from WHO]
The cold has higher mortality rates for people 80+ than for people in their 20's also, I'm sure, without even looking for the statistics.
ETA: If the 80-year old wants to stay home, that is their choice just as it is mine to not change my schedule because some people are getting a new version of cold. Just because something spreads fast, kills a small percentage of those it infects (and higher percentage of older people), I am not going to become a shut-in. I wouldn't do this for the cold, influenze, or norovirus - all 3 of which spread fast and have small mortality rates (higher if older) just like Covid-19.
FYI the mortality rate for diabetics of any age is 7.3%.
You didn't post a source for that statistic, and I couldn't find an answer quickly online, but...would you not agree that coronavirus would increase their risk further?
Sorry for not being clear. That mortality is the reported mortality rate from China for diabetic patients with Coronavirus of all ages. It’s on the same article which was posted above mine under “comorbidites.” So, if you are a diabetic and get this, you have about a one in fourteen chance of death. Diabetes is the second largest single factor in comorbity following heart disease. That to me is an unacceptably high risk.
I was responding to a diabetic and I am one myself. If you are a diabetic you should be taking special precautions because you are in a high risk category.
If this disease is similar to flu, having your diabetes well controlled makes little difference, because the reason for the comorbity has to do with the way a healthy body manipulates glucose stores in order to fight off bacteria and viruses. Diabetics don’t do that in the same way, which makes them more vulnerable to many illnesses.
Ah, thank you for the clarification! 😊0 -
I'm south of Boston, MA. My Walmart was completely stocked last week when I started the thread. This was the TP aisle today (just a few 4-packs of Charmin and one store brand 4-pack):
Oh, and there are now pallets of bottled water in the middle aisle where they put seasonal items.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »Switzerland banned gatherings of more than 1000 people a week ago. We're still stuffed like sardines in the commuter trains.
We're 10th in the ranking of case numbers. We're *only* had 3 deaths so far, but that probably was luck more than anything else.
There's talk of the army setting up the emergency hospitals (which are in protected underground locations and are meant to be used in times of war to keep the sick and injured safe).
The mayor of New York City is catching a lot of flack from late night comics for his suggestion to avoid crowded subway cars...because who would CHOOSE that?
Subway ridership here has went down significantly... as well as the buses. Something is working.4 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »Switzerland banned gatherings of more than 1000 people a week ago. We're still stuffed like sardines in the commuter trains.
We're 10th in the ranking of case numbers. We're *only* had 3 deaths so far, but that probably was luck more than anything else.
There's talk of the army setting up the emergency hospitals (which are in protected underground locations and are meant to be used in times of war to keep the sick and injured safe).
The mayor of New York City is catching a lot of flack from late night comics for his suggestion to avoid crowded subway cars...because who would CHOOSE that?
Subway ridership here has went down significantly... as well as the buses. Something is working.
I was listening to the NPR radio show "Here & Now" earlier and the host said he was on a plane yesterday - with only 8 passengers.
Lots of discussion about the airline industry. One person was opposed to any bailouts for airline corporations unless they also waive fees for people who have to cancel their flights.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »Switzerland banned gatherings of more than 1000 people a week ago. We're still stuffed like sardines in the commuter trains.
We're 10th in the ranking of case numbers. We're *only* had 3 deaths so far, but that probably was luck more than anything else.
There's talk of the army setting up the emergency hospitals (which are in protected underground locations and are meant to be used in times of war to keep the sick and injured safe).
The mayor of New York City is catching a lot of flack from late night comics for his suggestion to avoid crowded subway cars...because who would CHOOSE that?
Subway ridership here has went down significantly... as well as the buses. Something is working.
I was listening to the NPR radio show Hear & Now earlier and the host said he was on a plane yesterday - with only 8 passengers.
Lots of discussion about the airline industry. One person was opposed to any bailouts for airline corporations unless they also waive fees for people who have to cancel their flights.
I was on a plane yesterday and it had more than eight people, but was still one of the least crowded planes I've been on for a while. I had the entire row to myself.2 -
I'm supposed to take my two boys on a Colorado road trip for Spring break which culminates with a Supercross motorcycle race at Mile High Stadium in Denver. I'm kind of at a loss right now...the boys have been looking forward to this since November. I kind of hope they cancel the event and take that decision out of my hands...and so that I can at least get my money back as it was a bit over $200...I'd also have to eat around $400 worth of lodging because I got a smoking deal at a Marriott but had to pay upfront with no refunds for cancellation. All of my other lodging can be cancelled up to 24 hours before.
I still have a few weeks until I have to decide, so I guess I'll just watch how things go.9 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
It may well be a forgone conclusion that you'll get it at some point, but the whole point of extra precautions like limiting potential exposure is to slow the rate of infection, so that health care systems aren't overwhelmed and those more at risk of severe symptoms have some hope of getting treatment. It's the socially responsible thing to do.
Yes, that was the first point I made in that post.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
Ah, okay, just sort of read like you weren't going to worry about any sort of social distancing etc to help reduce rate of spread.
Well, no... the only "social distancing" I intend to do is minimize high 5's and hand shaking and such. My next marathon is 3/22, half marathons on 3/29 and 4/4. I intend to go to these unless cancelled. And I am going to work, stores, laundromat, etc. just like always. I am running outside just like always. I'm still washing hands and minimizing touching people and shared surfaces, but not going to completely change my schedules for the cold.
I was with you on this until you stated not changing your schedule for "a cold", because it's not a cold. It's death for 15% of people over 80, and for 7% of people in their 70s, not to mention those who have chronic illnesses. Good on you for watching out for yourself, but please think of others as well.
[ETA: Please see my later post referencing death rates by age from WHO]
The cold has higher mortality rates for people 80+ than for people in their 20's also, I'm sure, without even looking for the statistics.
ETA: If the 80-year old wants to stay home, that is their choice just as it is mine to not change my schedule because some people are getting a new version of cold. Just because something spreads fast, kills a small percentage of those it infects (and higher percentage of older people), I am not going to become a shut-in. I wouldn't do this for the cold, influenze, or norovirus - all 3 of which spread fast and have small mortality rates (higher if older) just like Covid-19.
I DID look that up, and couldn't find any info on death rates. I think if it was 7-15%, it might be easier to find on Dr. Google...
Also, I did state I was with you on not being a shut-in--it's just when you called it "a cold" that I call you out. Sure, call it a cold if you want--a mutated cold that overwhelms hospitals and medical personnel, and kills.
Calling it a cold is a metaphor. Except for public panic, Covid-19 isn't significantly different than the common cold.
But that simply isn't true. The common cold is... common. Covid-19 is by definition a novel virus.
You are assuming it will end up having the same risk factors as a cold. And it's presence out in the world is essentially doubling everyone's risk as it is out there in addition to the regular flu, plus the actual common cold.
Granted, the majority of us have a very small risk of the common cold, the seasonal flu, or probably even the novel virus leading to a more life threatening case of pneumonia or other respiratory infection, so doubling that risk isn't a big deal. As a member of a community, I think it's my responsibility to help the vulnerable in my community mitigate their risk, obviously you don't agree and that's fine. But diminishing the increased risk to the community because it doesn't really affect you isn't necessary. And I doubt you'd find an infectious disease expert or respiratory doctor who would sign off on a novel flu virus being the same risk to vulnerable people as the common cold, though I could certainly be wrong on that.
I'm not assuming anything, I am making conclusions based on what is known about the common cold and about Covid-19.I think it's my responsibility to help the vulnerable in my community mitigate their risk, obviously you don't agree and that's fine.
You came to that conclusion because I refuse to be a shut in?! I suppose if that is your definition... but I can tell you based on my observation that you people who are unwilling to leave home are the minority. So if I am the *kitten* for coming out in public, most other people are *kitten* also.
Legit question because maybe I'm missing something, but can you point me to "what is known"? Because folks in the field don't seem to know it, unless I am clearly misreading something. Not being a medical pro myself, this is quite possible.
There is a huge difference between avoiding crowds and being a shut-in. Regardless, my issue was only how you are downplaying the overall risk because the risk to you personally is in your opinion negligible. I have no doubt that most other people are looking at it the same way, that's why I'm concerned. Anyway, I don't think it's your responsibility to be a shut-in, I apologize if what I typed came out that way.
If you look up-thread, someone posted mortality rates at 0.2% for most of us younger people. There was a news report I was looking at just yesterday about an estimate that 50%-70% of us will eventually get it. A majority someday have it and almost everyone recovers just fine.... sounds like the common cold.
As said before, I will continue hand washing just like before. The only thing I am changing is less human contact in the way of high-5's at races, and hand shaking. I refuse to stay at home indefinitely, as previously explained.
Without questioning your or anyone else's personal action decisions, just mathing a little:
327 million people, conservatively, in the US.
50% infection rate (conservative end of your posted estimate)
0.2% mortality rate for everyone of all ages and conditions (very, very conservative interpretation of your posted number, since young people are at lower risk)
Suggests:
163,500,000 infected, most of them little affected, fortunately
327,000 dead
Do I think it will be that bad? No idea. I'm staying calm and carrying on, so far, in my circumstances.12 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Been lurking in this thread for a couple of days, thought I'd drop in the latest from Ireland. At the time of writing we have around 34 confirmed cases in the Republic (South of Ireland) and there are further cases in Northern Ireland (which fall under the UK's stats).
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Schools and universities are open as normal. There has been no overall ban on large gatherings. There was a huge unnecessary political debate between the IRFU and the Minister for Health about the cancellation of the Six Nations Ireland v Italy game, with noone initially wanting to take responsibility for the cancellation of the game. The St Patrick's parades were going to go ahead, then they weren't, then they were and now have finally been cancelled.
Panic buying seems to be a bit hit and miss, some commuter towns have absolutely no toilet roll, pasta, etc on the shelves but city centre supermarkets are pretty quiet compared to normal with full stocks of everything.
I keep a mild interest in the media around it for work purposes (I deal with international travel for our employees) but I get most of my facts and figures from this site, which deals mostly in just stats without the fear-mongering sensationalist headlines. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and keep an eye on major airlines sites such as Cathay Pacific to see what the story is with current travel restrictions.
I am not in the panic stage myself, I have some meals prepped in the chest freezer, adequate normal supplies of cleaning products and consumables, as I normally buy large packs anyway to cut down on plastic waste. I am of the opinion that it is here now, it is going to affect us all at some stage whether directly or indirectly, we can just do our best to minimise the risk to ourselves and to those around us by practicing good hygiene, sensible risk assessment and doing what we can to maximise the effectiveness of the immune system through decent sleep, healthy diet, exercise, etc.
Just heard: now we know it is bad because the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Chicago was just cancelled. The New York one, which has been held every year since 1762, so far is still happening. If they shut that one down, we know the Apocalypse is upon us.
Or, perhaps, if the New York one is not cancelled, that decision will bring the Apocalypse upon us.
(^^^ Intended as a wry, dark-humor joke. Clearly, authorities' role in managing large-attendance events is a serious consideration when it comes to the spread of the virus, and each decision is nuanced and specific. I hope they are well-advised by true experts. While I think authorities are capable of bad decisions (of course), I think it's much more common for some non-experts' "gut feelings" (mistaken for reasoning or common sense) to be less functional than the reasoning of experts who've studied and worked in a field for years to decades, and for some of those non-experts to trumpet their views, arrogantly, as more true and sensible than the eggheads'. Possible? Sure. Likely? No.)
No matter what decision they make it will be judged in hindsight like many of the other decisions have been. It is always easy to know what the right choice is/was if you know the outcome. It might always seem like erring on the side of caution is prudent but if we all did that we would be permanently paralyzed because there is no safe. How many people in lock down areas will die in their homes alone because they were not in public when they had a medical emergency like a heart attack or stroke?
Although I don't think people should completely lock themselves in their houses (unless mandated or officially encouraged), canceling large events and celebrations is common sense if we are to contain this. This isn't about personal risk - nobody is safe anywhere, it's about slowing down the spread and flattening the curve. It isn't just about the virus itself, either. When you get an outbreak that continues to tax the healthcare system, even those who have a medical emergency in public may not get adequate care.
I am not the one making the choices and I am not sitting on the data for the optimal conditions for transmission. I also do not know the science of crowd flow. I mean it is not like every single person will be in close proximity to every other person. It could be that being indoors in a hotel ballroom during a business meet and greet is more of a spread hazard than a larger group outside. I don't know. If the parade is held though I doubt it is a cavalier choice with full disregard to safety but maybe it is.0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
It may well be a forgone conclusion that you'll get it at some point, but the whole point of extra precautions like limiting potential exposure is to slow the rate of infection, so that health care systems aren't overwhelmed and those more at risk of severe symptoms have some hope of getting treatment. It's the socially responsible thing to do.
Yes, that was the first point I made in that post.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
Ah, okay, just sort of read like you weren't going to worry about any sort of social distancing etc to help reduce rate of spread.
Well, no... the only "social distancing" I intend to do is minimize high 5's and hand shaking and such. My next marathon is 3/22, half marathons on 3/29 and 4/4. I intend to go to these unless cancelled. And I am going to work, stores, laundromat, etc. just like always. I am running outside just like always. I'm still washing hands and minimizing touching people and shared surfaces, but not going to completely change my schedules for the cold.
I was with you on this until you stated not changing your schedule for "a cold", because it's not a cold. It's death for 15% of people over 80, and for 7% of people in their 70s, not to mention those who have chronic illnesses. Good on you for watching out for yourself, but please think of others as well.
[ETA: Please see my later post referencing death rates by age from WHO]
The cold has higher mortality rates for people 80+ than for people in their 20's also, I'm sure, without even looking for the statistics.
ETA: If the 80-year old wants to stay home, that is their choice just as it is mine to not change my schedule because some people are getting a new version of cold. Just because something spreads fast, kills a small percentage of those it infects (and higher percentage of older people), I am not going to become a shut-in. I wouldn't do this for the cold, influenze, or norovirus - all 3 of which spread fast and have small mortality rates (higher if older) just like Covid-19.
I DID look that up, and couldn't find any info on death rates. I think if it was 7-15%, it might be easier to find on Dr. Google...
Also, I did state I was with you on not being a shut-in--it's just when you called it "a cold" that I call you out. Sure, call it a cold if you want--a mutated cold that overwhelms hospitals and medical personnel, and kills.
Calling it a cold is a metaphor. Except for public panic, Covid-19 isn't significantly different than the common cold.
But that simply isn't true. The common cold is... common. Covid-19 is by definition a novel virus.
You are assuming it will end up having the same risk factors as a cold. And it's presence out in the world is essentially doubling everyone's risk as it is out there in addition to the regular flu, plus the actual common cold.
Granted, the majority of us have a very small risk of the common cold, the seasonal flu, or probably even the novel virus leading to a more life threatening case of pneumonia or other respiratory infection, so doubling that risk isn't a big deal. As a member of a community, I think it's my responsibility to help the vulnerable in my community mitigate their risk, obviously you don't agree and that's fine. But diminishing the increased risk to the community because it doesn't really affect you isn't necessary. And I doubt you'd find an infectious disease expert or respiratory doctor who would sign off on a novel flu virus being the same risk to vulnerable people as the common cold, though I could certainly be wrong on that.
I'm not assuming anything, I am making conclusions based on what is known about the common cold and about Covid-19.I think it's my responsibility to help the vulnerable in my community mitigate their risk, obviously you don't agree and that's fine.
You came to that conclusion because I refuse to be a shut in?! I suppose if that is your definition... but I can tell you based on my observation that you people who are unwilling to leave home are the minority. So if I am the *kitten* for coming out in public, most other people are *kitten* also.
Legit question because maybe I'm missing something, but can you point me to "what is known"? Because folks in the field don't seem to know it, unless I am clearly misreading something. Not being a medical pro myself, this is quite possible.
There is a huge difference between avoiding crowds and being a shut-in. Regardless, my issue was only how you are downplaying the overall risk because the risk to you personally is in your opinion negligible. I have no doubt that most other people are looking at it the same way, that's why I'm concerned. Anyway, I don't think it's your responsibility to be a shut-in, I apologize if what I typed came out that way.
If you look up-thread, someone posted mortality rates at 0.2% for most of us younger people. There was a news report I was looking at just yesterday about an estimate that 50%-70% of us will eventually get it. A majority someday have it and almost everyone recovers just fine.... sounds like the common cold.
As said before, I will continue hand washing just like before. The only thing I am changing is less human contact in the way of high-5's at races, and hand shaking. I refuse to stay at home indefinitely, as previously explained.
Without questioning your or anyone else's personal action decisions, just mathing a little:
327 million people, conservatively, in the US.
50% infection rate (conservative end of your posted estimate)
0.2% mortality rate for everyone of all ages and conditions (very, very conservative interpretation of your posted number, since young people are at lower risk)
Suggests:
163,500,000 infected, most of them little affected, fortunately
327,000 dead
Do I think it will be that bad? No idea. I'm staying calm and carrying on, so far, in my circumstances.
It’s also worth pointing out that while it’s being reported that 80% of people have only mild illness, 20% have serious illness, and so far about 3.4% die, what isn’t being reported as much is that those 20% with serious illness are not “recovering just fine.” Most have to be on ventilators and more than half of them develop sepsis and organ shutdown. This disease has been described by a doctor as leaving your lungs like Swiss cheese. The 16% of people who are seriously ill and then recover are not going back to running marathons, they are severely and in some cases permanently damaged.14 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm supposed to take my two boys on a Colorado road trip for Spring break which culminates with a Supercross motorcycle race at Mile High Stadium in Denver. I'm kind of at a loss right now...the boys have been looking forward to this since November. I kind of hope they cancel the event and take that decision out of my hands...and so that I can at least get my money back as it was a bit over $200...I'd also have to eat around $400 worth of lodging because I got a smoking deal at a Marriott but had to pay upfront with no refunds for cancellation. All of my other lodging can be cancelled up to 24 hours before.
I still have a few weeks until I have to decide, so I guess I'll just watch how things go.
The race I was supposed to run this weekend was cancelled (along with about 284995050605 others according to my emails). I wouldn’t count on a refund though (especially if the event is cancelled close to the date) - unless there’s an existing refund policy for the race.
But many travel providers (airlines, hotels, etc) are relaxing change and cancellation policies - many currently have waivers for travel dates through the end of April. So you may do better there than you think.
If you end up not going.4 -
I fully support city officials who choose to shut down large gatherings, but also support those who do not. I just hope each decision was made after careful consideration of the newest information, especially info specific to their region. The South by Southwest Festival in Austin next week was cancelled about a week ago despite protests from the organizers that it would severely impact the economy of the city. Yes, many actions can ding the economy, but an outbreak because of the large gathering can also hurt even more.
Reflecting on this and how it compares to the Spanish Flu: on one hand, we are in a better place because we know more about how disease spreads and how to contain one. On the other hand, we also have too much information and it can be hard to sift through everything to get to the useful stuff. Also, there are more people traveling, living in cities, commuting to work, eating away from home, going to movies and sports, and generally coming in contact with other people. The Flu pandemic wouldn't have been quite so bad if it hadn't happened at the end of WW1. Between soldiers living in close proximity, then coming home to family and neighbors it wouldn't have spread quite as quickly.
For anyone interested in reading an excellent book about the Spanish Flu pandemic, Gina Kolata's "Flu: The Story Of The Great Influenza Pandemic of 1918 and the Search for the Virus that Caused It" is excellent.9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »I would like to remind younger folks that think they'll do just fine with the virus, that if left to run like a house on fire it may morph into something stronger. It' prudent to try and slow it down so it's managable. Northern Italy has seen younger people hit along with the older. I sure hope this thread can keep going without a lock, because I'll be very interested to see everyone's opinions in a couple of weeks or so--I'll bet that they'll change.snowflake954 wrote: »I would like to remind younger folks that think they'll do just fine with the virus, that if left to run like a house on fire it may morph into something stronger. It' prudent to try and slow it down so it's managable. Northern Italy has seen younger people hit along with the older. I sure hope this thread can keep going without a lock, because I'll be very interested to see everyone's opinions in a couple of weeks or so--I'll bet that they'll change.
A lot of opinions will change. I know mind is changing as patterns are starting to take shape.
The kids in the article hit me hard. They are trying to flee from bad things and now are running into threats they can not see and do not understand. Actually I am not sure any of us can see and understand these events.
https://project-syndicate.org/commentary/coronavirus-nationalist-blame-game-by-gregory-a-maniatis-and-monette-zard-2020-030 -
Herd immunity More people with it protects babies y those who cannot get the flu shot. At least that’s what Doctors say to me. My 1st reaction was as a kid was to protect me but nope 👎 I had to be transported from my family doctor to ER.As an adult worked in a hospital setting my job gave me the shot I stopped breathing crashed my car had to go to the ER.
My anaphylaxis flu shot allergy is not due to eggs 🥚. I can’t wear makeup as a teen tried kept ending up getting shots at the ER for a reaction. I’m also allergic to a few medications same ingredient of course. Good news is their creating flu vaccines for folks like me so I have hope! In a few years If they figure out create it I’ll be at my doctors for a special ordered version of the shot. That means my Dad y 90+yr old Grandma will be able to go to their doctor also for it when that happens.(Only 4 relatives who are anaphylactic to it rest no issue or just hives ). I’m not allergic to any other vaccine so I am super up to date even on Hep A& B.
I heard good news in an article I read last night wish I could find it again for you guys.I should have posted last night after thought 💭 comes with my older age on top of mom brain 🧠. The new vaccine their trying to make for this takes allergies in consideration is nothing like the flu shot at all! That’s great excellent miraculous news for my family who believes in shots if one isn’t deadly allergic.
By what I understand it’s so different from the actual flu is why.
Here’s hoping their successful soon for us all. Even if I’m anaphylactic to this one I’ll get it anyways they can just save me in the ER attitude at this point. Just want my baby protected he’ll be in line for him to get it .
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/09/coronavirus-scientists-play-legos-with-proteins-to-build-next-gen-vaccine/
Never mind found it! Mice antibodies
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-york-biotech-company-working-make-antibody-treatment-coronavirus-n1154566
Can’t use flu vaccines luckily for me for a new vaccine against this .Here’s that article https://www.livescience.com/getting-flu-shot-help-coronavirus-outbreak.html
Flu shot allergies that are anaphylactic are super rare
CDC recommendation for flu shots
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/general.htm
Pushing the Dislike Button does not make peanut 🥜 allergies to medication allergies go away or magically not exist. If it did That would be so nice!
Italy to China question: What I’ve been wondering is it easier for a person in the city or country side in a nation wide or large area shut down??? Any guesses even what you guys think?0 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »Switzerland banned gatherings of more than 1000 people a week ago. We're still stuffed like sardines in the commuter trains.
We're 10th in the ranking of case numbers. We're *only* had 3 deaths so far, but that probably was luck more than anything else.
There's talk of the army setting up the emergency hospitals (which are in protected underground locations and are meant to be used in times of war to keep the sick and injured safe).
The mayor of New York City is catching a lot of flack from late night comics for his suggestion to avoid crowded subway cars...because who would CHOOSE that?
Subway ridership here has went down significantly... as well as the buses. Something is working.
I ride the L (Chicago, Brown line) daily and it has not seemed at all less populated.4 -
I fully support city officials who choose to shut down large gatherings, but also support those who do not. I just hope each decision was made after careful consideration of the newest information, especially info specific to their region. The South by Southwest Festival in Austin next week was cancelled about a week ago despite protests from the organizers that it would severely impact the economy of the city. Yes, many actions can ding the economy, but an outbreak because of the large gathering can also hurt even more.
Reflecting on this and how it compares to the Spanish Flu: on one hand, we are in a better place because we know more about how disease spreads and how to contain one. On the other hand, we also have too much information and it can be hard to sift through everything to get to the useful stuff. Also, there are more people traveling, living in cities, commuting to work, eating away from home, going to movies and sports, and generally coming in contact with other people. The Flu pandemic wouldn't have been quite so bad if it hadn't happened at the end of WW1. Between soldiers living in close proximity, then coming home to family and neighbors it wouldn't have spread quite as quickly.
For anyone interested in reading an excellent book about the Spanish Flu pandemic, Gina Kolata's "Flu: The Story Of The Great Influenza Pandemic of 1918 and the Search for the Virus that Caused It" is excellent.
I haven't read that but have read Kolata and think she's a good writer.0 -
I'm a scuba diver and in the regular planning of scuba trips out of the country I've gotten accustomed to purchasing Travel Insurance. I usually purchase it through a scuba insurance company that also covers evacuation, medical treatment, repatriation, travel for a companion to accompany repatriation and hyperbaric chamber rides - just in case. A lot of the places that are excellent for scuba also have poor medical infrastructure. Travel insurance is a must when doing dangerous activities anyway.
I know American Express offers travel insurance whenever I buy a ticket or hotel rooms. It's always a good idea, and I've used it a couple times with flight delays/cancellations, illness, unforeseen other things. Just a thought for anyone who is thinking of booking travel. It's not that expensive and it's saved me thousands.5 -
Kshama2001- oh my lord theirs nothing on those shelves at all! We thought it was bad here! Yikes 😳 . Try online for some or other stores.The diaper isles here keep looking like that so they had 1 1/2 isles instead of half of 1 now at Sam’s Club .0
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Duck_Puddle wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm supposed to take my two boys on a Colorado road trip for Spring break which culminates with a Supercross motorcycle race at Mile High Stadium in Denver. I'm kind of at a loss right now...the boys have been looking forward to this since November. I kind of hope they cancel the event and take that decision out of my hands...and so that I can at least get my money back as it was a bit over $200...I'd also have to eat around $400 worth of lodging because I got a smoking deal at a Marriott but had to pay upfront with no refunds for cancellation. All of my other lodging can be cancelled up to 24 hours before.
I still have a few weeks until I have to decide, so I guess I'll just watch how things go.
The race I was supposed to run this weekend was cancelled (along with about 284995050605 others according to my emails). I wouldn’t count on a refund though (especially if the event is cancelled close to the date) - unless there’s an existing refund policy for the race.
But many travel providers (airlines, hotels, etc) are relaxing change and cancellation policies - many currently have waivers for travel dates through the end of April. So you may do better there than you think.
If you end up not going.
I was thinking about doing one of our largest local races, the Shamrock Shuffle, on March 22, but decided it would likely get canceled. Hoping this is all over before my favorite neighborhood race, the Ravenswood Run, on 4/26, but am not signing up in advance this year.2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »Switzerland banned gatherings of more than 1000 people a week ago. We're still stuffed like sardines in the commuter trains.
We're 10th in the ranking of case numbers. We're *only* had 3 deaths so far, but that probably was luck more than anything else.
There's talk of the army setting up the emergency hospitals (which are in protected underground locations and are meant to be used in times of war to keep the sick and injured safe).
The mayor of New York City is catching a lot of flack from late night comics for his suggestion to avoid crowded subway cars...because who would CHOOSE that?
Subway ridership here has went down significantly... as well as the buses. Something is working.
Train/Bus ridership has gone down a little bit, but there's not enough room on the roads for that many cars (let alone parking spaces) and not a whole lot of people have gotten the go ahead to do home office.
It's not that people don't want to stay home or use alternative modes of transportation, it's that a lot of them simply can't.5 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Kshama2001- oh my lord theirs nothing on those shelves at all! We thought it was bad here! Yikes 😳 . Try online for some or other stores.The diaper isles here keep looking like that so they had 1 1/2 isles instead of half of 1 now at Sam’s Club .
Just tried to do my regular weekly shopping on Amazon Fresh and things that have never been out of stock are all of a sudden gone. Crazy.1 -
I fully support city officials who choose to shut down large gatherings, but also support those who do not. I just hope each decision was made after careful consideration of the newest information, especially info specific to their region. The South by Southwest Festival in Austin next week was cancelled about a week ago despite protests from the organizers that it would severely impact the economy of the city. Yes, many actions can ding the economy, but an outbreak because of the large gathering can also hurt even more.
Reflecting on this and how it compares to the Spanish Flu: on one hand, we are in a better place because we know more about how disease spreads and how to contain one. On the other hand, we also have too much information and it can be hard to sift through everything to get to the useful stuff. Also, there are more people traveling, living in cities, commuting to work, eating away from home, going to movies and sports, and generally coming in contact with other people. The Flu pandemic wouldn't have been quite so bad if it hadn't happened at the end of WW1. Between soldiers living in close proximity, then coming home to family and neighbors it wouldn't have spread quite as quickly.
For anyone interested in reading an excellent book about the Spanish Flu pandemic, Gina Kolata's "Flu: The Story Of The Great Influenza Pandemic of 1918 and the Search for the Virus that Caused It" is excellent.
I read the Gina Kolata's book, and it was really good.0 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm supposed to take my two boys on a Colorado road trip for Spring break which culminates with a Supercross motorcycle race at Mile High Stadium in Denver. I'm kind of at a loss right now...the boys have been looking forward to this since November. I kind of hope they cancel the event and take that decision out of my hands...and so that I can at least get my money back as it was a bit over $200...I'd also have to eat around $400 worth of lodging because I got a smoking deal at a Marriott but had to pay upfront with no refunds for cancellation. All of my other lodging can be cancelled up to 24 hours before.
I still have a few weeks until I have to decide, so I guess I'll just watch how things go.
The race I was supposed to run this weekend was cancelled (along with about 284995050605 others according to my emails). I wouldn’t count on a refund though (especially if the event is cancelled close to the date) - unless there’s an existing refund policy for the race.
But many travel providers (airlines, hotels, etc) are relaxing change and cancellation policies - many currently have waivers for travel dates through the end of April. So you may do better there than you think.
If you end up not going.
I was thinking about doing one of our largest local races, the Shamrock Shuffle, on March 22, but decided it would likely get canceled. Hoping this is all over before my favorite neighborhood race, the Ravenswood Run, on 4/26, but am not signing up in advance this year.
They canceled the Brooklyn Half marathon and they were offering refunds or the option to run the race next year.5 -
Been lurking this thread.
I'm in NC, where we have 7 reported cases, mostly in Wake County, where my 81 year old mom lives. She volunteers several times a week at an outreach organization, and emailed them yesterday to let them know that she was staying away until the threat is reduced. I am very relieved she did that. She just had a heart valve replaced in mid-January and is still recovering from that. I thought I was going to have a fight on my hands, as I'd called her to suggest she not go.
I live in a county a bit further east and work in a hospital that is part of a larger organization. The emails have been coming hard and fast for the past couple of days. Our state's first presumptive positive came a week ago last Tuesday. We've been told to phone in to meetings with over 50 people, not hoard PPE, etc. Our county does not have any presumptive positive cases to date.
Some genius decided to start a rumor that we had a COVID patient in our emergency department this afternoon. Let me reiterate that we do not at this time. That *kitten* spread like wildfire and I ended up sending a text to my boss to either confirm it or squash it. He squashed it. In the meantime, one of the ladies in our group was in a panic. She is a legit germaphobe. (How she ended up working in a hospital is beyond me, lol.
) But she was honestly freaked out.
To date, I hadn't been terribly concerned about this, tbh. I am aware of the potential of it spreading into our neck of the woods, but I honestly don't think I truly believed that it would, which was apparent by my own inner reaction, which was a really uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach. If I was feeling that? I knew she had to be feeling so much worse. *sits and wonders what she's going to do when it isn't just a rumor*
Our prep at home is that we have enough food and drinkables to get us through two weeks of potentially not being to go out. @GaleHawkins I have pets and I didn't even THINK about food for them, so off to the local Walmart to get a couple really big bags of dog food just to put in the back room "just in case." At work we are behaving as if the virus is already in the building. In healthcare, you have to be aware of hand hygiene, but this has really made all of us hyper-aware of ALL the surfaces we touch (door lock button combos, elevator buttons, doorknobs, stairwells, etc.) and also aware of how often we touch our faces.
I hope everyone stays healthy, does proper hand hygiene, eats well, and doesn't stress over this too much. Scary? Yes, but stress just doesn't do anything for anyone.
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snowflake954 wrote: »I would like to remind younger folks that think they'll do just fine with the virus, that if left to run like a house on fire it may morph into something stronger. It' prudent to try and slow it down so it's managable. Northern Italy has seen younger people hit along with the older. I sure hope this thread can keep going without a lock, because I'll be very interested to see everyone's opinions in a couple of weeks or so--I'll bet that they'll change.
Our 3rd case was reported today in Minnesota since Friday. The first two are older. The 3rd person is in 30’s and in critical condition. Everyone needs to be aware and take precautions for their, and their families hygiene practices. It’s not a hoax. Concern, definitely. Panic, no.8
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