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why don't the low carb folks believe in CICO?
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TheVirgoddess wrote: »
I think things like this are water weight more than fat loss.
I'm interested in this topic, too.
This. A week of low carb is mostly water weight. I lost 7lbs my first week. Water.0 -
callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »
yes, there are people who EAT BUTTER.
i love me some butter, but please put it on or in something LOLOL
I think for MOST people (barring diabetes or other health concern) a normal diet, with the normal rec. amount of carbs is fine. of course CICO matters, some people (not all just some) are just... in denial? or maybe they are (coincidentally) eating at their number without meaning to.
cant be concerned too much about what other people are doing, i have my own fat to worry about LOLOLOL
man i love butter but I have to put it on something = waffles, bagels, toast…
thinking about use cutting a piece of butter off and eating it makes me shiver….*bla*0 -
This is way more PG than I expected.0
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Some people eat butter, too.
Then again, some people eat horses, bugs, frogs and snails, so I don't judge. I'll stick to using the cream in my coffee and chocolate mousse and the butter on my eggs.
You know where I saw the butter eating talk first? Not from low carbers, but from clean eaters. It was "because pastured butter". This was before bulletproof coffee became a thing.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »
How would you even do that unless you were having it in shots? I love eggs but the thought of them swimming in all that oil... gag.
I do shots of hemp oil occasionally to get my fat macros up.
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blktngldhrt wrote: »
for real?????0 -
i am actually impressed…I thought this would be a level four dumpster fire by now...
Goes to show MFP can act it's age sometimes
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Goes to show MFP can act it's age sometimes
ha! agreed….0 -
if any of the low carbers are curious, this is the thread that spawned this thread
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/31656383#Comment_316563830 -
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Some people eat butter, too.
Then again, some people eat horses, bugs, frogs and snails, so I don't judge. I'll stick to using the cream in my coffee and chocolate mousse and the butter on my eggs.
mmmm breakfast. Lots of protein.
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MrCoolGrim wrote: »
they kinda look like craw fish ...0 -
I would try it...and if seasoned properly probably eat the whole bowl
I would think with a bottle of Bourdeaux0 -
Well, I have to say this thread is a refreshing surprise. I'm enjoying it. I've posted a lot on other low carb threads, but I'll just throw in my own experience. I've low carbed and it didn't work for me because eating until I was full didn't work for an emotional eater.
Having dealt with the emotional issues I had and moved on from low carbing, I became what I recently came to call myself--a selective carber. I moderate my carbs and only eat the ones I really enjoy like oatmeal and potatoes. I have a couple of medical conditions (fibromyalgia/CFS, psoriatic arthritis, and chronic migraines) that either include fatigue as a symptom or include fatigue-inducing medications.
I've found over time that my macro balance affects my energy levels. My body likes a lot of protein. It likes some carbs, but not too many.
I net around 100-120 carbs a day and am a vegetarian now. I've also lost more weight counting calories now than I did low-carbing 20 years ago. If I had known to watch my calories then, it would have worked, I'm sure. I just ate too much.0 -
MrCoolGrim wrote: »
I would think with a bottle of Bourdeaux
Would prefer an Imperial Stout0 -
I take it back. i think a couple pints of brew so i can swoosh and gargle down all the legs that get stuck between my teeth
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billieljaime wrote: »
because it doesnt work that way
people who do a low carb diet have a specific limitation just like CICO have a calorie limitation
low carbers have a daily fat and carb limitation
Protein is limited as well..
My limitation is calculated by how many calories I choose to eat. I strive for 5% carb 23% protein and 72% fat.0 -
Most likely because they were not logging or simply not logging accurately.
Also have someone on my friends list with PCOS and her carbs are often pretty high... she's lost 30lbs iirc.
Just because you have a friend with pcos who eats high carb and still loses does not mean that everyone is the same. It's not a one size fits all thing where medical conditions are concerned.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »
A person who is in-tune with their body typically knows when something is up.
If a person is eating frequently, ravenously hungry, gaining weight, etc., it's usually pretty apparent that something is going on with their endocrine system.
A person has to see their PCP for a referral anyways. If a person continues to suffer, most PCP's will refer them to an endo.
I was diagnosed hypoglycemic by my pcp and not referred to an endocrinologist or a dietician. I actually wasn't given a referral to my endo until eleven years after my diagnosis. I was just told to control it with a low glycemic diet and to eat sugar when i was low. It wasn't until I got older and was able to do my own research that I figured out my pcp sucked. I guess hypoglycemia information has come a long way since I started having problems with it.0 -
for real?????
Yes. If it's late and I don't feel like actually making something..i take a shot.0 -
http://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
There you go OP. You could learn a lot from some of these studies.
There is a study (which atm I am unable to find), that had subjects lie in bed for 6 weeks (I think 6 weeks) eating their BMR calories, in high protein vs high carb, the high protein people lost less muscle and gained less fat.
Think about it like this, CICO is the gold standard, but what the calories come from still matters. Dieting and working out while eating 2000 cal of Twinkies vs 2000 cal of steak is going to have a significant impact in body composition which has a cumulative effect in continuing weight loss0 -
http://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
There you go OP. You could learn a lot from some of these studies.
There is a study (which atm I am unable to find), that had subjects lie in bed for 6 weeks (I think 6 weeks) eating their BMR calories, in high protein vs high carb, the high protein people lost less muscle and gained less fat.
Think about it like this, CICO is the gold standard, but what the calories come from still matters. Dieting and working out while eating 2000 cal of Twinkies vs 2000 cal of steak is going to have a significant impact in body composition which has a cumulative effect in continuing weight loss
Who has ever recommended eating this way?
No one would ever do this. It's ridiculous.
And neither of which would be a healthy diet.
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if any of the low carbers are curious, this is the thread that spawned this thread
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/31656383#Comment_31656383
I think it was stated a few pages ago in this thread, but newbies who come to mfp dont always understand CICO and jump on the low carb bandwagon because of all the hype about it recently. They dont research it, like other diet choices (vegan, vegetarian, meatatarian, etc) and just figure oh, low carb means high protein and so and so told me I didnt have to count calories. They have to be taught, just like anyone else, what macros are and how to tweak them and that they need to find their own weight loss calorie number.
So dont judge all low carbers by the vocal but uninformed new ones. They will learn and maybe many of them will fall into the category of being able to eat to full and not have to count calories on a LCHF.0 -
What are you responding to? My oversimplification of CICO? No one ever said eat twinkies or steak. Just that body comp is affected by types of food, which in turn manipulates BMR, which can HELP create or slow weight/body fat loss
Who has ever recommended eating this way?
No one would ever do this. It's ridiculous.
And neither of which would be a healthy diet.0 -
I am going to throw this one out there, because I got into a debate with someone in another thread and it left me pretty mind blown. The persons basic assumptions where the following:
1. they were not calorie restricting (however they were losing weight)
2. if they ate 1200 calories of a regular diet of say 30% carbs they did not lose, but when they ate a 1200 calories "low carb" diet they lost weight.
3. throughout the course of the thread others came in and made the argument that CICO did not apply when was going low carb.
Before all my low carb friends come flying in here to say that I am knocking low carb, let me be clear that is not what I am doing. The way that I see it is that low carb, IIFYM, keto, IF, etc are just tools to get one into a calorie deficit, and one is not superior to the other. I just get mind blown when people say "I calorie restricted and lost nothing, but when I went low carb I lost" or "fat loss only happens when one is low carb" or "CICO does not apply to me and only low carb works for me" and on and on….
I actually tried low carb and it was not for me. My energy in the gym was non-existent and i would end up binging on whatever carbs I had in the house.
It would be nice if some low carbers came in here and acutely refuted this…
OR
if you really believe that CICO does not apply, then I would be curious as to why you think this…
ETA - I am not referring to people that have to low carb due to a medical condition. However, CICO would still apply in that instance….
I am doing LC because I have noticed that when I eat too much carbs it make me feel psychically sick. I started MFP weighting all my food, calorie counting, eating 1200 and lost weight. Then I read up on BMR/TDEE and changed my micros to refect that along with a low carb % just to feel better psychically. I continue to weight, count and log. I need to know that I am not over my daily calories allowed because I believe that's how I will keep losing. I have done a lot of reading up on the CiCo and it does makes sense TO ME. So I personally dont discount CiCo. I believe I need a caloric deficit in order to lose weight and if eating LC helps me attain that deficit then awesome. I cannot eat and eat and eat over my TDEE and just expect to lose weight. The only way I have had optimum results losing weight effectively, this time around, has been eating with a deficit and LC but if I feel like I want to eat rice or a cookie or some whole wheat bread then I just fit them in my micros and keep it moving. I am still learning and would like to make this a way of life that is attainable for me and I dont think I could do that if I could NEVER have a piece of chocolate, bread, or pasta in my life.0 -
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herrspoons wrote: »
Every time someone posts a link to authoritynutrition (LOL) a kitten dies.
A kitten also dies every time someone makes a ludicrous argument using extremes as general indicators.
Think of the kittens.
The links to the published articles just happened to be on that site. So you can't refute peer reviewed studies, so you ATTEMPt to be funny. Good one bro
like I said before CICO is the gold standard for weight loss, but what the calories come from matters too0
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