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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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stanmann571 wrote: »
\veronikamellon wrote: »Ya'll will slaughter me here but I believe there is more to CICO than meets the eye. Human body is not a car engine, it is much more complex. There are multiple variables that can throw the math off. Heck even the calorie intake and burn measurements are often extremely imprecise. Until they invent some sort of an implant that measures exactly how much is consumed and burned, I will remain skeptical. That being said, I still log calories, since it is a working method, albeit imperfect.
So explain to me how I've lost nearly 70 pounds using such a flawed, imprecise, imperfect system.
I didn't do keto or low carb. I didn't fast, nor did I go paleo, vegetarian or vegan. I didn't cut a single thing out of my diet. I didn't detox, cleanse, drink ACV or Shakeology, nor did I take "fat burners" or appetite suppressants. I'm 54 years old, I drink diet soda daily, eat fast food several times a week, don't even track my sugar intake and still eat candy, ice cream, etc. I drink beer and hard alcohol on occasion. I eat plenty of red meat and am not in the least scared of carbs or fats.
In short, I haven't done any of the "tricks" or fads that people think help with weight loss. All I've done is count calories (even eyeballing a large portion of my meals rather than using a food scale), maintained a reasonable deficit and exercised consistently. I've refined my calorie goals based upon feedback obtained from the scale and anthropomorphic measurements as I went along. My blood pressure has lowered significantly, my GERD is completely gone, my RHR has dropped to the high 40s/low 50s, my bodyfat has gone from about 35% to around 15% and I have no medical/health issues whatsoever. I'm in the best health and physical condition that I've been since my teens and if I could go back in time I could easily kick my 20, 30 or 40 year-old butt.
So I guess my unpopular opinion is that not only does CICO work, it's the only thing that works. It's the only way anybody loses weight, whether they choose to recognize that fact or not. You can refuse to believe in gravity, but you're still going to hit the ground when you jump out of a tree.
haha you get so defensive it's crazy.
She never said flawed. She said imperfect and imprecise. Which is 100% is. Everyone makes it seem like this easy formula that you just plug in what you burn, and then eat 500 less than that and you lose weight. Yeah, if it was that easy no one would ever have any issues. But you NEVER really know what your calorie expenditure is, at best it's an educated guess, and most of the time it's based off some random calculator online that knows NOTHING about you, your health, your body functions, your lean mass, your bone structure, NOTHING. It just says, most men, at your age, who are that tall are expected to burn this much.
That's why when people offer for people to try and lose 0.5 pound per week its absolutely ridiculous. That's so small of a deficit that one day you might be in a deficit and the next you might be in a surplus because one day you went to work and sat around all day, and that Saturday you took your kid to a soccer game and burned the extra 250 calories walking for 45 min to and from the field and getting everything set up.
People on here make it seem soooooo easy it's terrible to watch people just say to count your calories and stay under your calorie goal, that's all that matters for weight loss, yeah, and in 6 weeks when that same calorie count is only having you lose 1 pound a week instead of 2, you know why, because your body is screwed from eating crap the last 6 weeks and your body isn't able to function appropriately an d has slowed down your metabolic functions.
I guess you missed the part where I said "I refined my calorie goals based upon feedback from the scale and anthropomorphic measurements as I went along". No formula is perfect, but you have perfectly viable feedback mechanisms to measure whether it's working or not, and/or how much it's working. This ain't rocket science.
[ETA:] I'd be very interested to hear how you think weight loss works.
I am not arguing that the laws of thermodynamics aren't true.
What I am arguing is that it's not as easy as people make it out to be. It's not as easy as saying, well the treadmill said I burned 500 calories on the treadmill and this chocolate bar is 500 calories, so if I do this everyday, I can eat this chocolate bar everyday and just walk on the treadmill everyday for 500 calories and not gain weight. That will not stand true. Over time your body starts to adjust and become more efficient. The second day you may only burn 499 calories even though the treadmill says you've burned 500, but the chocolate bar is still equally as dense. At some point you will become efficient enough where the calories in (chocolate bar) will exceed the calories out (treadmill), to the point where weight loss will slow or stall. If you have a huge deficit and are eating 1200 calories a day (which is seems like half the people on here are doing), which is absolutely ridiculous, of course you'll continue to lose weight, you're essentially starving yourself and it would be difficult to be in a surplus at that many calories.
CICO is not as easy as it seems. And don't come back saying yeah it is cause I lost X amount of weight counting my calories. Yeah so what, so has everyone, but no one actually knows if they were being as efficient as they could be until after the fact, which is when you make adjustments for the future, but you still don't know how those adjustments will work until another future time.
Adaptation means I will either go farther in the same time, or faster for the same distance, not that the caloric burn will change for the same work.
If I walk 4 miles or 1 hour at 4 mph today, I will burn between 490-550 calories(according to MFP) If I walk the exact same distance in the exact same time tomorrow, I will burn the exact same calories.
As I get stronger, faster, I may go 4.5 miles in one hour... burning more calories... or I may go 4 miles in 50 minutes, burning slightly fewer calories. But If I walk the exact same speed for the exact same time, I will burn the exact same calories...
Now, if I'm in a deficit, I'll weigh less next week, and by virtue of the reduction in weight, I will in fact burn fewer calories, but that's got nothing to do with adaptation, and everything to do with a measurable reduction in work... I could compensate by wearing a Titin. or by increasing my speed and distance
So I can lose weight by running after the ice cream truck, if I run far and fast enough?
This is the best news ever; thank you.
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Tacklewasher wrote: »Can I say that I hope this doesn't change soon? My wife is gluten intolerant (as well as many other things) and the current GF fad is making sure she has more options and even better pricing than just a few years ago. So, it is helpful to her.
My uncle, who has Celiac's, would agree wholeheartedly.
I sit over here in the corner nibbling on dry rabbit food when out to eat with my soy allergy, and wish avoiding soy would become the new rage.
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Christine_72 wrote: »
Australia. The food prices here are ridiculous. It's only my husband and I at home, and food is our biggest outgoing expense by far.
ETA: Just one example that gripes me is when people complain about paying over $4 for a tub of Halotop, when i pay $12 a pint here
Last time i checked, a medium (USA small size) big mac meal deal thingo was around $9-10, not even take away is cheap here! 2 movie tickets will set you back around $36.
I pay $38 for two movie tickets, but that is VIP here (big, reclining chairs; service staff to bring food; plenty of leg room).1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »
Australia. The food prices here are ridiculous. It's only my husband and I at home, and food is our biggest outgoing expense by far.
ETA: Just one example that gripes me is when people complain about paying over $4 for a tub of Halotop, when i pay $12 a pint here Last time i checked, a medium (USA small size) big mac meal deal thingo was around $9-10, not even take away is cheap here! 2 movie tickets will set you back around $36.
I pay $38 for two movie tickets, but that is VIP here (big, reclining chairs; service staff to bring food; plenty of leg room).
From memory, the tickets for "gold class", which is the same as you described, are $41 each here, that's the bare minimum price too. Totally not worth it!0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
Unless the food is coming out unprocessed (like corn), then no. What comes out it pretty much devoid of calories. The impact is minimal.
But it is weight loss
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And just to add, gluten free substitutes for baked goods are often higher calorie than the original.
That's crazy, cos everyone I know who tries to lose weight usually goes straight to the gluten free section!!Tacklewasher wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
I feel like this about Gluten Free!! Unless you have an actual medical reason to be gluten free, there is no reason to jump on the gluten free band wagon. Unless, you know, you LIKE paying an extra 50% for your food.
Some doctors are even condemning these restrictive diets as they can actually be harmful.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/gluten-free-diet-harmful-people-without-coeliac-disease-health-benefits-a7713711.html
Can I say that I hope this doesn't change soon? My wife is gluten intolerant (as well as many other things) and the current GF fad is making sure she has more options and even better pricing than just a few years ago. So, it is helpful to her.
It's good to know someone is benefiting from the GF fads. In this case, I hope the GF fad keeps going too!!
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Barring physical anomaly that is direct contraindication (e.g., any form of aortic or vascular dissection, any form of aortic graft, known history of malignant ventricular tachyarrhthmia, osteogenesis imperfecta, etc.), you're a damned fool if you haven't lifted weights on at least a linear progression program.5
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Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
I don't know if this would be detectable. Perhaps in overfeed/underfeed experiments? It's a biological system and carries a great deal of inefficiencies and variables, but this does not amount to much in terms of energy gain/loss.
I am increasingly fascinated with adaptive thermogenesis, but there is little evidence showing that this has much of an impact over time. There are now several overfeed (10,000 kcal/day) studies where the participants undergo a daily BMR/REE and DEXA scan and post the results and showing dramatic increases in BMR within 24 hrs after this overfeeding. BMR levels off to normal within 48 hrs. The DEXA results consistently show ~1% increase in bodyfat over the 48 hr time period.3 -
There are now several overfeed (10,000 kcal/day) studies where the participants undergo a daily BMR/REE and DEXA scan and post the results and showing dramatic increases in BMR within 24 hrs after this overfeeding. BMR levels off to normal within 48 hrs. The DEXA results consistently show ~1% increase in bodyfat over the 48 hr time period.
Science FTW!!
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Agreed. I can't imagine not eating gluten would be "bad" for someone in any way. It aren't "essential" by any means.lemurcat12 wrote: »I think it's true that way more people avoid gluten than really have a reason to, and I personally don't have an issue with gluten and don't avoid it, but I can't imagine that not eating gluten has any negative health effects. It's nice that more stuff is available for people who are celiac (or otherwise have issues).
Now, if they replace gluten with all kinds of nonsense, perhaps...
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Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
I don't know if this would be detectable. Perhaps in overfeed/underfeed experiments? It's a biological system and carries a great deal of inefficiencies and variables, but this does not amount to much in terms of energy gain/loss.
I am increasingly fascinated with adaptive thermogenesis, but there is little evidence showing that this has much of an impact over time. There are now several overfeed (10,000 kcal/day) studies where the participants undergo a daily BMR/REE and DEXA scan and post the results and showing dramatic increases in BMR within 24 hrs after this overfeeding. BMR levels off to normal within 48 hrs. The DEXA results consistently show ~1% increase in bodyfat over the 48 hr time period.
That's fascinating... my takeaway.
1. 6 months of deficit @ 1 lb per week=24-30 lbs.
2. 2 day food bender followed by going back to deficit is realistically less than a 2 week setback.
Meaning... the best thing to do if you go off the rails isn't to fast or purge or compensate by a radical change in diet, but just get back on the horse right where you left it and just put a line through the 2 day bender.
Which is the standard MFP advice...
IFLS
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stanmann571 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
I don't know if this would be detectable. Perhaps in overfeed/underfeed experiments? It's a biological system and carries a great deal of inefficiencies and variables, but this does not amount to much in terms of energy gain/loss.
I am increasingly fascinated with adaptive thermogenesis, but there is little evidence showing that this has much of an impact over time. There are now several overfeed (10,000 kcal/day) studies where the participants undergo a daily BMR/REE and DEXA scan and post the results and showing dramatic increases in BMR within 24 hrs after this overfeeding. BMR levels off to normal within 48 hrs. The DEXA results consistently show ~1% increase in bodyfat over the 48 hr time period.
That's fascinating... my takeaway.
1. 6 months of deficit @ 1 lb per week=24-30 lbs.
2. 2 day food bender followed by going back to deficit is realistically less than a 2 week setback.
Meaning... the best thing to do if you go off the rails isn't to fast or purge or compensate by a radical change in diet, but just get back on the horse right where you left it and just put a line through the 2 day bender.
Which is the standard MFP advice...
IFLS
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Which shows that it's not the big binges - Thanksgiving, Superbowl, etc. that are driving obesity. It's the day to day 250 kcal surplus that sneaks up over time.
Also shows that the best overall solution is not a dramatic reduction of CI, but a moderate (250 kcals/day) deficit.10 -
Which shows AGAIN that it's not the big binges - Thanksgiving, Superbowl, etc. that are driving obesity. It's the day to day 250 kcal surplus that sneaks up over time.
Also shows that the best overall solution is not a dramatic reduction of CI, but a moderate (250 kcals/day) deficit.
There, FTFY!
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these last 4 posts seriously need to be made a separate thread and sticky!1
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I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.17 -
mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
I certainly agree with this and consider this point of recognizing the difference between hunger and cravings one of the most critical ones.
I think many people simply want to be told what to do and not mentally ready to decide for themselves what the best course of action is. To complicate matters you have deliberate misinformation and disinformation from marketing, concerned industries, and other peddlers that sell people on overly restrictive diet plans, so the average person cannot discern what is factual and what is not.
Why you can feel the frustration of so many new posters who just end up getting defensive rather than listening. CICO is a simple principle, but turning this is an actionable plan that works for an individual is where the majority of the effort lies.7 -
Sooooouch misinformation.0
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This goes back to one of my points I made in my OP regarding what's been proven and what has not been.WinoGelato wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Over here in the U.S., I'm pretty sure those same foods would be laced with preservatives, particularly when it comes to cheaper brands.VintageFeline wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
BRA-*kitten*-VO.
Perhaps before assuming someone is lazy, you may consider they may have less time on their hands than you perhaps do.
I don't tend to think people lazy for choosing convenience foods except for cases where I know it's true. But I do think they are often using lack of time as an excuse to eat convenience foods instead of something that might be a little healthier. It doesn't take any longer to bake frozen fish and precut broccoli in the oven than it does a frozen pizza. It doesn't take any longer to make an omelet or stir fry using precut vegetables than it does to make Hamburger Helper.
I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't eat whatever they want, just saying I rarely buy the "I don't have time" excuse.
How about those of us with chronic illnesses that physically or cognitively impair ones ability to cook. Even sometimes things you can throw in the oven. I forget and burn things. Not yet burned my flat down but that's because I know when not to cook.
I don't use frozen meals but here in the UK we have massive choice of fresh meals from the fridge. My nutrition and macros are fine.
Here's the ingredients of a few of those awful convenience foods.
This is chilli and rice:
Cooked Rice (Water, Long Grain Rice), Red Pepper (18%), British Beef (17%), Onion, Red Kidney Beans (11%), Tomato (6%), Beef Stock (Beef Juices, Tomato Paste, Onion, Carrot), Tomato Purée, Cornflour, Garlic Purée, Rapeseed Oil, Coriander Leaf, Cumin, Salt, Smoked Paprika, Molasses, Chilli Powder, Oregano, Coriander, Black Pepper.
Tomato and basil chicken:
Baby Potato (42%), Tomato (25%), British Chicken (20%), Onion, Water, Rapeseed Oil, Sundried Tomato, Garlic Purée, Tomato Purée, Sugar, Cornflour, Olive Oil, Sunflower Oil, Rosemary, Basil, Salt, Potato Starch, White Wine Vinegar, Oregano, Black Pepper, Lemon Juice from Concentrate, Garlic Extract, Basil Extract.
But yeah, totally nutritionally deficient and full of preservatives. Carry on judging me.
And???
How do those preservatives actively harm my health, deplete the nutrients that are in the frozen meal, or otherwise hinder my progress toward my goals?
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mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.4 -
mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
Assuming you meant to say "should not be hungry" in your opening statement?
I can't think of a time where I was truly hungry at any point throughout this process. I ate, I logged, but spent a great deal of time identifying what was really hungry and what was cravings or eating out of boredom.
Food selection is critical as well. Oatmeal and eggs fills me up, but this doesn't have the same effect for everyone.2 -
mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
I agree with this. I think maybe I could have lost weight without being hungry if I ate little bits of food all day long, but I would also never really be satisfied because I like a big meal. I like a full plate of food with a glass of wine on the side. I like to go back for seconds and I sometimes like to refill my glass.
I was often hungry when I was gaining weight. I don't think there is anything wrong with feeling hungry now and then, and I like being hungry before a meal. I've been hungry at times all through my life. I put being hungry on the same scale as being tired or sleepy. It's a natural thing that doesn't have to be dealt with right away. Eventually I eat, just as eventually I rest and sleep.5 -
mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
Assuming you meant to say "should not be hungry" in your opening statement?
I can't think of a time where I was truly hungry at any point throughout this process. I ate, I logged, but spent a great deal of time identifying what was really hungry and what was cravings or eating out of boredom.
Food selection is critical as well. Oatmeal and eggs fills me up, but this doesn't have the same effect for everyone.
I think this was a critical realization for me- when is it my body or my mind that is wanting to eat? I am much better at differentiating between them and how to handle it. And I find that overall, my cravings have gone down (not gone, but less frequent/intense).
And choosing foods that are satisfying and filling for me as well. I do get a little hungry right before meals and for a little while, I was really hungry after changing my workout routine, but I adjusted a few things and now I am back to minor hunger (normal hunger) all while losing weight. Some foods work well for me and other don't- it is a matter of trial and error and personal preference.3 -
mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
not saying you have to starve. But I definitely feel hungry during the day.
and I know there are people who do it without feeling significant hunger, but for me, that just doesn't work. to stress though, at the root of my being overweight was eating mindlessly and large volume. and I was NEVER hungry.
Now, I eat much more mindfully, and I make good choices. don't limit fat or protein. I have protein at every meal/snack, as well as fat at every meal/snack. and I'm hungry. Not starving all day or anything, but definitely hungry before meals. and for me, this is actually a GOOD thing.5 -
mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
Assuming you meant to say "should not be hungry" in your opening statement?
I can't think of a time where I was truly hungry at any point throughout this process. I ate, I logged, but spent a great deal of time identifying what was really hungry and what was cravings or eating out of boredom.
Food selection is critical as well. Oatmeal and eggs fills me up, but this doesn't have the same effect for everyone.
yes thank you.mom2kateRH wrote: »mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
not saying you have to starve. But I definitely feel hungry during the day.
and I know there are people who do it without feeling significant hunger, but for me, that just doesn't work. to stress though, at the root of my being overweight was eating mindlessly and large volume. and I was NEVER hungry.
Now, I eat much more mindfully, and I make good choices. don't limit fat or protein. I have protein at every meal/snack, as well as fat at every meal/snack. and I'm hungry. Not starving all day or anything, but definitely hungry before meals. and for me, this is actually a GOOD thing.
and I mentioned that in my post...being peckish or hungry before meals is normal but people talk about being hungry all the time or starving etc.
That is not necessary for weight loss.
I think that sometimes people get lost in the minutia of what is being said.
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mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
Assuming you meant to say "should not be hungry" in your opening statement?
I can't think of a time where I was truly hungry at any point throughout this process. I ate, I logged, but spent a great deal of time identifying what was really hungry and what was cravings or eating out of boredom.
Food selection is critical as well. Oatmeal and eggs fills me up, but this doesn't have the same effect for everyone.
yes thank you.mom2kateRH wrote: »mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
not saying you have to starve. But I definitely feel hungry during the day.
and I know there are people who do it without feeling significant hunger, but for me, that just doesn't work. to stress though, at the root of my being overweight was eating mindlessly and large volume. and I was NEVER hungry.
Now, I eat much more mindfully, and I make good choices. don't limit fat or protein. I have protein at every meal/snack, as well as fat at every meal/snack. and I'm hungry. Not starving all day or anything, but definitely hungry before meals. and for me, this is actually a GOOD thing.
and I mentioned that in my post...being peckish or hungry before meals is normal but people talk about being hungry all the time or starving etc.
That is not necessary for weight loss.
I think that sometimes people get lost in the minutia of what is being said.
Yeah, I used to think I had to be starving to lose weight. I am so glad I know more now.5 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
Unless the food is coming out unprocessed (like corn), then no. What comes out it pretty much devoid of calories. The impact is minimal.
But it is weight loss
Is it devoid of calories? Why do some animals eat it?2 -
mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
Assuming you meant to say "should not be hungry" in your opening statement?
I can't think of a time where I was truly hungry at any point throughout this process. I ate, I logged, but spent a great deal of time identifying what was really hungry and what was cravings or eating out of boredom.
Food selection is critical as well. Oatmeal and eggs fills me up, but this doesn't have the same effect for everyone.
yes thank you.mom2kateRH wrote: »mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
not saying you have to starve. But I definitely feel hungry during the day.
and I know there are people who do it without feeling significant hunger, but for me, that just doesn't work. to stress though, at the root of my being overweight was eating mindlessly and large volume. and I was NEVER hungry.
Now, I eat much more mindfully, and I make good choices. don't limit fat or protein. I have protein at every meal/snack, as well as fat at every meal/snack. and I'm hungry. Not starving all day or anything, but definitely hungry before meals. and for me, this is actually a GOOD thing.
and I mentioned that in my post...being peckish or hungry before meals is normal but people talk about being hungry all the time or starving etc.
That is not necessary for weight loss.
I think that sometimes people get lost in the minutia of what is being said.
Meh, I used to only be hungry when approaching meals when I was in a deficit. Now that I'm nursing (I have a 10 week old), I'm legit hungry all the time. I'm eating maintenance plus exercise and letting the breastfeeding create the deficit, so not undereating. So far, it's manageable, but I'm always thinking about food.4 -
SingRunTing wrote: »mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
Assuming you meant to say "should not be hungry" in your opening statement?
I can't think of a time where I was truly hungry at any point throughout this process. I ate, I logged, but spent a great deal of time identifying what was really hungry and what was cravings or eating out of boredom.
Food selection is critical as well. Oatmeal and eggs fills me up, but this doesn't have the same effect for everyone.
yes thank you.mom2kateRH wrote: »mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
not saying you have to starve. But I definitely feel hungry during the day.
and I know there are people who do it without feeling significant hunger, but for me, that just doesn't work. to stress though, at the root of my being overweight was eating mindlessly and large volume. and I was NEVER hungry.
Now, I eat much more mindfully, and I make good choices. don't limit fat or protein. I have protein at every meal/snack, as well as fat at every meal/snack. and I'm hungry. Not starving all day or anything, but definitely hungry before meals. and for me, this is actually a GOOD thing.
and I mentioned that in my post...being peckish or hungry before meals is normal but people talk about being hungry all the time or starving etc.
That is not necessary for weight loss.
I think that sometimes people get lost in the minutia of what is being said.
Meh, I used to only be hungry when approaching meals when I was in a deficit. Now that I'm nursing (I have a 10 week old), I'm legit hungry all the time. I'm eating maintenance plus exercise and letting the breastfeeding create the deficit, so not undereating. So far, it's manageable, but I'm always thinking about food.
nursing is a bit of a different circumstance tho....I mean really...you could be at a 500 a day deficit which is 1lb a week...
I personally, when breast feeding, wasn't hungry ever...but I ate and ensure I didn't lose weight...I didn't and don't think that in the first 6 months at least, losing the "extra" weight from being pregnant should be that important...
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SingRunTing wrote: »mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
Assuming you meant to say "should not be hungry" in your opening statement?
I can't think of a time where I was truly hungry at any point throughout this process. I ate, I logged, but spent a great deal of time identifying what was really hungry and what was cravings or eating out of boredom.
Food selection is critical as well. Oatmeal and eggs fills me up, but this doesn't have the same effect for everyone.
yes thank you.mom2kateRH wrote: »mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
not saying you have to starve. But I definitely feel hungry during the day.
and I know there are people who do it without feeling significant hunger, but for me, that just doesn't work. to stress though, at the root of my being overweight was eating mindlessly and large volume. and I was NEVER hungry.
Now, I eat much more mindfully, and I make good choices. don't limit fat or protein. I have protein at every meal/snack, as well as fat at every meal/snack. and I'm hungry. Not starving all day or anything, but definitely hungry before meals. and for me, this is actually a GOOD thing.
and I mentioned that in my post...being peckish or hungry before meals is normal but people talk about being hungry all the time or starving etc.
That is not necessary for weight loss.
I think that sometimes people get lost in the minutia of what is being said.
Meh, I used to only be hungry when approaching meals when I was in a deficit. Now that I'm nursing (I have a 10 week old), I'm legit hungry all the time. I'm eating maintenance plus exercise and letting the breastfeeding create the deficit, so not undereating. So far, it's manageable, but I'm always thinking about food.
nursing is a bit of a different circumstance tho....I mean really...you could be at a 500 a day deficit which is 1lb a week...
I personally, when breast feeding, wasn't hungry ever...but I ate and ensure I didn't lose weight...I didn't and don't think that in the first 6 months at least, losing the "extra" weight from being pregnant should be that important...
Breastfeeding was number one reason I lost the extra baby weight. I exclusively breastfed until six months and then breastfed until they self weaned. It's a myth that losing weight while breastfeeding is bad.4 -
SingRunTing wrote: »mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
Assuming you meant to say "should not be hungry" in your opening statement?
I can't think of a time where I was truly hungry at any point throughout this process. I ate, I logged, but spent a great deal of time identifying what was really hungry and what was cravings or eating out of boredom.
Food selection is critical as well. Oatmeal and eggs fills me up, but this doesn't have the same effect for everyone.
yes thank you.mom2kateRH wrote: »mom2kateRH wrote: »I'm really late to this game, and people will probably really disagree with me. But I see a lot of posts along the lines of "if you are hungry, you are not eating enough or the right things," or other similar phrases that imply you can calorie reduce without feeling hungry. And that if you do feel hungry, you are doing something wrong. I worry that this sets people up with unrealistic expectations. Plain and simple, I've gone from eating a LOT of food a LOT of the time, usually when I was not hungry, to appropriately reducing my calories and eating better. I eat a fair bit of fat (at least 30% of my calories come from fat), and protein, and I'm hungry often.
and to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Actually, I kind of enjoy the feeling, because I'm starting to listen to my body cues, rather than just giving in to cravings.
If you set yourself up with reasonable goals and expectations then you should be hungry during weight loss really.
Sure you will get peckish or feel a rumble before your meal times but to be actually hungry as much as some people are is a good indication that they are doing something wrong.
For example
If you ate a bag of chips and a chocolate bar for breakfast vs a fruit smoothie with protein powder which one do you think would digest slower...both have 500 calories...but the protein will keep you feeling fuller longer.
so regardless of weather you like it or not it's true. Plain and Simple.
Just because you want to lose weight doesn't mean you have to starve or be hungry.
not saying you have to starve. But I definitely feel hungry during the day.
and I know there are people who do it without feeling significant hunger, but for me, that just doesn't work. to stress though, at the root of my being overweight was eating mindlessly and large volume. and I was NEVER hungry.
Now, I eat much more mindfully, and I make good choices. don't limit fat or protein. I have protein at every meal/snack, as well as fat at every meal/snack. and I'm hungry. Not starving all day or anything, but definitely hungry before meals. and for me, this is actually a GOOD thing.
and I mentioned that in my post...being peckish or hungry before meals is normal but people talk about being hungry all the time or starving etc.
That is not necessary for weight loss.
I think that sometimes people get lost in the minutia of what is being said.
Meh, I used to only be hungry when approaching meals when I was in a deficit. Now that I'm nursing (I have a 10 week old), I'm legit hungry all the time. I'm eating maintenance plus exercise and letting the breastfeeding create the deficit, so not undereating. So far, it's manageable, but I'm always thinking about food.
nursing is a bit of a different circumstance tho....I mean really...you could be at a 500 a day deficit which is 1lb a week...
I personally, when breast feeding, wasn't hungry ever...but I ate and ensure I didn't lose weight...I didn't and don't think that in the first 6 months at least, losing the "extra" weight from being pregnant should be that important...
Oh I know it is.
I'm only working on losing weight because my supply is good. If my supply dips, I'll be upping my calories immediately.
Also it feels amazing to workout again. I had some complications and wasn't allowed to do anything more than walking since October.3
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