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Nor do I feel it is a panic situation. But... An entire COUNTRY is locked down from this. I don't see any discussion here that is fear-mongering or unduly alarmist given the situation. Quite the opposite (aside from a few notable exceptions) it's all very level-headed.cmriverside wrote: »
To be fair, you weren't very worried at the beginning of this thread. Granted, that was 8 days ago, but obviously enough people were already worried enough to start discussing it.cmriverside wrote: »Of course they're discussing this kimny. Between caring for multiple contagious patients and talking to us.
The message has to be consistent and repetitive for it to sink in to the most possible brains.
I was talking to my neighbor yesterday. She's a very intelligent book-worm type of woman in her mid-thirties. She hasn't changed much of what she's doing on a day to day basis and she said, "I'm not worried about it at all. I'm not in the demographic." She's still going out at night, still working (for the county government, too.) She's in a public-facing non-essential job but they still aren't sending them home.
I pointed out that her parents are in the demographic. The six neighbors including me who share a stairwell with her ARE. I mean, yeah it's cmr's theater of the obvious, but the, "All about me," attitude certainly surprised me coming from such a well-educated woman.
The nonchalant attitude toward spreading it to other at-risk individuals is the epitome of selfish, though.
I already admitted that I've changed my tune. I still don't feel like it's a panic situation though.
I don't know that I would have without this thread. I'm not sure talking about it this much is a good thing, to be honest - especially since there is so much misinformation and fear-mongering even in this thread.
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cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories
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I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married. 1 -
When I said that I've no worries, concerning getting sick and/or dying, via this virus or the flu, it's because I accept the fact that even though there're social services that currently keep me existing, "survival of the fittest" always'll reign supreme regardless.
It does concern me, that I might get it & spread it, to someone else. However my disability's severe enough, that I am mostly housebound. I do my errands, once monthly. I'm going to cancel my approximately once weekly apartment complex activities though, for this month.1 -
cmriverside wrote: »
To be fair, you weren't very worried at the beginning of this thread. Granted, that was 8 days ago, but obviously enough people were already worried enough to start discussing it.cmriverside wrote: »Of course they're discussing this kimny. Between caring for multiple contagious patients and talking to us.
The message has to be consistent and repetitive for it to sink in to the most possible brains.
I was talking to my neighbor yesterday. She's a very intelligent book-worm type of woman in her mid-thirties. She hasn't changed much of what she's doing on a day to day basis and she said, "I'm not worried about it at all. I'm not in the demographic." She's still going out at night, still working (for the county government, too.) She's in a public-facing non-essential job but they still aren't sending them home.
I pointed out that her parents are in the demographic. The six neighbors including me who share a stairwell with her ARE. I mean, yeah it's cmr's theater of the obvious, but the, "All about me," attitude certainly surprised me coming from such a well-educated woman.
The nonchalant attitude toward spreading it to other at-risk individuals is the epitome of selfish, though.
I already admitted that I've changed my tune. I still don't feel like it's a panic situation though.
I don't know that I would have without this thread. I'm not sure talking about it this much is a good thing, to be honest - especially since there is so much misinformation and fear-mongering even in this thread.
I'm sorry if you feel like I've fear mongered. Haven't meant to, for sure. But until we get consistent massaging out about this, it won't be contained. Just slowing it down will save lives. Lots of them.
My hope is that humanity shows its good side. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I have 3 couples on my street -- two of which are within eye shot, over 70. I might talk to them, offer to bring their groceries to them or go and get critical items so they don't have to go out as much. I have a mask, N95s, and gloves (from a long time ago). I'll be as careful as I can and not go out unnecessarily. But if they need me in a pinch, I'll offer to go out instead of them. I'm 55 in great health. I'm not nearly as at risk. I also work from home, so I'm not exposed to much other than going out to the grocery once a week or so.
I think the younger folks will come around and realize their actions have consequences, either through acknowlegement as it progresses or forced admission (arrests for not quarantining, if we get to that).
We're all ultimately in this together. The sooner everyone realizes that, the better.9 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories ).
I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married.
Having worked in the restaurant business for years I can poke holes in his containment procedures.
I don't want to make your life more difficult though.
The at-home stuff...I'm making changes as I go. What does he do about bread bags?
I'm kind of at the, "Se la vie," platform. Today. I reserve the right to change my mind. Again.3 -
Nor do I feel it is a panic situation. But... An entire COUNTRY is locked down from this. I don't see any discussion here that is fear-mongering or unduly alarmist given the situation. Quite the opposite (aside from a few notable exceptions) it's all very level-headed.cmriverside wrote: »
To be fair, you weren't very worried at the beginning of this thread. Granted, that was 8 days ago, but obviously enough people were already worried enough to start discussing it.cmriverside wrote: »Of course they're discussing this kimny. Between caring for multiple contagious patients and talking to us.
The message has to be consistent and repetitive for it to sink in to the most possible brains.
I was talking to my neighbor yesterday. She's a very intelligent book-worm type of woman in her mid-thirties. She hasn't changed much of what she's doing on a day to day basis and she said, "I'm not worried about it at all. I'm not in the demographic." She's still going out at night, still working (for the county government, too.) She's in a public-facing non-essential job but they still aren't sending them home.
I pointed out that her parents are in the demographic. The six neighbors including me who share a stairwell with her ARE. I mean, yeah it's cmr's theater of the obvious, but the, "All about me," attitude certainly surprised me coming from such a well-educated woman.
The nonchalant attitude toward spreading it to other at-risk individuals is the epitome of selfish, though.
I already admitted that I've changed my tune. I still don't feel like it's a panic situation though.
I don't know that I would have without this thread. I'm not sure talking about it this much is a good thing, to be honest - especially since there is so much misinformation and fear-mongering even in this thread.
Yes, this. Wash your hands, limit outside contact as much as possible, self-isolate if possibility of contamination is present, common sense stuff repeated over and over until hopefully it becomes second nature.
I believe it's right and necessary to explore what-if scenarios and have a plan. Yes it can be anxiety-provoking, and certainly those who are triggered by these thoughts should stay out of these kinds of discussions. I find it a little triggering myself, but for me exposure to the what-ifs that create anxiety is the best way to force me to learn to manage that anxiety, so I am following along.
On the toilet paper front. I live in CA so we always have around 2 weeks supply of water, food, other necessities and toilet paper supplies that might last a month in the event of an earthquake. My husband has IBS, and also picks up stomach bugs easily, and if you want to visualize what if scenarios, consider being trapped in your house with no toilet paper and a person who needs to go 3 or 4 times a day...7 -
pitbullpuppy wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories ).
I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married.
Someone touched that straw wrapper to put it on the filthy table and now he touches the wrapper and has their disgusting filth all over himself. Not replacing your kitchen towel after every incident is also a disgusting behavior, especially if its used to wipe down a counter top. Also, he picks up the beverage can, washes it, which requires that he touches the faucet and transfers the filth of the can to the knob, but does he cleanse the knob?
Hi I have bad OCD
Ah, but he only touches the wrapper with the hand designated for contaminated surfaces. Oh, and our hand towels are only for washed hands- no surfaces. But I give you the rest. Pretty sure I'm the only one who cleans the faucets & knobs in the house. 1 -
lol pitbullpyppy. That's kind of how I feel about it too.
I've been Netflix-watching the 1990s Star Trek series. I think we all need transporters and food replicators. I'm certain those were created by an epidemiologist.
Except I watched one episode the other day where some unintended creature got transported. That's gonna happen.
Does anyone remember the very old sci-fi horror movie, "The Fly"?4 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories ).
I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married.
The at-home stuff...I'm making changes as I go. What does he do about bread bags?
Open the bag while hands are still unwashed. Wash hands. Carefully reach inside (perhaps tongs would be helpful? ) and remove bread. Close bag and rewash hands before proceeding with food preparation (assuming any other required containers have already been procured and opened).
I'm starting to feel like I'm the one who's crazy!2 -
cmriverside wrote: »Of course they're discussing this kimny. Between caring for multiple contagious patients and talking to us.
Considering what some of the nurses I know are saying about what they do and do not know how to handle and what the plan will be, I'm not sure "Of course" is accurate. We were unprepared with testing kits, and unprepared with masks. I will attempt to absorb your assurance by computer osmosis though
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pitbullpuppy wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories ).
I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married.
I understand the effort, but there comes a point where you are just wasting time because the effort is ineffective in the big scheme (although caution is obviously a good thing). When you go food shopping, do you wash your entire car because you made contact with the door/steering wheel/seat belt/etc., not to mention every package that comes into your home, but then also your sink and counter tops for germs that might have splashed onto those surfaces, then a load of laundry, then the door to the laundry room, and then finally yourself through an air lock?
You're preaching to the choir here. 1 -
pitbullpuppy wrote: »I don't even leave the house at this point. I'm neurotic. I almost didn't give my dog a kiss because he might have it from spending too much time in outside contaminated air.
If it helps, the WHO is still saying that's not something you need to worry about. From their FAQ:
Can I catch COVID-19 from my pet?
No. There is no evidence that companion animals or pets such as cats and dogs have been infected or could spread the virus that causes COVID-19.3 -
cmriverside wrote: »lol pitbullpyppy. That's kind of how I feel about it too.
I've been Netflix-watching the 1990s Star Trek series. I think we all need transporters and food replicators. I'm certain those were created by an epidemiologist.
Except I watched one episode the other day where some unintended creature got transported. That's gonna happen.
Does anyone remember the very old sci-fi horror movie, "The Fly"?
Yeah, that gave me nightmares as a kid...thanks for dragging that one back into my consciousness.3 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories ).
I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married.
The at-home stuff...I'm making changes as I go. What does he do about bread bags?
Open the bag while hands are still unwashed. Wash hands. Carefully reach inside (perhaps tongs would be helpful? ) and remove bread. Close bag and rewash hands before proceeding with food preparation (assuming any other required containers have already been procured and opened).
I'm starting to feel like I'm the one who's crazy!
ha ha I love him.
I'm toying with the idea of just putting brand new bread in a tupperware type thing or a large ziplock - why not both? Every time the bread bag touches the counter, you've got a problem. God only knows how many hands touched it between the bakery and me.
Same with bananas.
Egg cartons. Oh, wait! *runs to look for that Dollar Store plastic egg holder thingy that I put away.*
I mean, everything in my refrigerator and cupboards are potentially a problem.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories ).
I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married.
The at-home stuff...I'm making changes as I go. What does he do about bread bags?
Open the bag while hands are still unwashed. Wash hands. Carefully reach inside (perhaps tongs would be helpful? ) and remove bread. Close bag and rewash hands before proceeding with food preparation (assuming any other required containers have already been procured and opened).
I'm starting to feel like I'm the one who's crazy!
ha ha I love him.
I'm toying with the idea of just putting brand new bread in a tupperware type thing or a large ziplock - why not both? Every time the bread bag touches the counter, you've got a problem. God only knows how many hands touched it between the bakery and me.
Same with bananas.
Egg cartons. Oh, wait! *runs to look for that Dollar Store plastic egg holder thingy that I put away.*
I mean, everything in my refrigerator and cupboards are potentially a problem.
Not really. Has it been mentioned how long the virus can live on surfaces?
(I'm not the one who "disagreed" with you, BTW.)0 -
It's a Zombie Apocalypse!
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cmriverside wrote: »lol pitbullpyppy. That's kind of how I feel about it too.
I've been Netflix-watching the 1990s Star Trek series. I think we all need transporters and food replicators. I'm certain those were created by an epidemiologist.
Except I watched one episode the other day where some unintended creature got transported. That's gonna happen.
Does anyone remember the very old sci-fi horror movie, "The Fly"?
Both the old one (and sequel) from the '50s and the newer one (1980s) with Jeff Goldblum. (Looking for the years I see there was a third one in the '50s that I never saw.)1 -
I just received an email from my condo association. We are a small group (8 townhouse units) so are pretty close. The couple at the end are hunkering down because they are elderly and Mike has a severely compromised immune system. We are setting up grocery runs for them. Walmart is close by and they have online ordering with free curbside pickup and the person ordering can designate a different pickup person. They can order as needed and we are all going to take turns doing the pickup and leave the groceries in their garage so they won't have any actual contact with a person.
Once again, common sense proactive procedures based on individual situations.14 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories ).
I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married.
The at-home stuff...I'm making changes as I go. What does he do about bread bags?
Open the bag while hands are still unwashed. Wash hands. Carefully reach inside (perhaps tongs would be helpful? ) and remove bread. Close bag and rewash hands before proceeding with food preparation (assuming any other required containers have already been procured and opened).
I'm starting to feel like I'm the one who's crazy!
ha ha I love him.
I'm toying with the idea of just putting brand new bread in a tupperware type thing or a large ziplock - why not both? Every time the bread bag touches the counter, you've got a problem. God only knows how many hands touched it between the bakery and me.
Same with bananas.
Egg cartons. Oh, wait! *runs to look for that Dollar Store plastic egg holder thingy that I put away.*
I mean, everything in my refrigerator and cupboards are potentially a problem.
Not really. Has it been mentioned how long the virus can live on surfaces?
(I'm not the one who "disagreed" with you, BTW.)
I have a stalker in this thread.
If I said, "Sky's blue," I'd get one.
And, yeah I've posted a couple times that the best-guess is that the virus can live on surfaces for UP to nine days.5 -
...But they're not really sure (about the longevity)
I can't even on the math...
*edit*SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »lol pitbullpyppy. That's kind of how I feel about it too.
I've been Netflix-watching the 1990s Star Trek series. I think we all need transporters and food replicators. I'm certain those were created by an epidemiologist.
Except I watched one episode the other day where some unintended creature got transported. That's gonna happen.
Does anyone remember the very old sci-fi horror movie, "The Fly"?
Yeah, that gave me nightmares as a kid...thanks for dragging that one back into my consciousness.
You're welcome! :flowerforyou:0
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