Coronavirus prep
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This is a Corona song. I just had to share it with all'y'all, it's Rolling Stones inspired. The pesky tourists are swarming my home and I can't wait for them to git along lil dogies.
I'm in a lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um2HLwseRaI
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Err. Sorry i did not say small pox was spread from excrement. I said the initial contamination from covid came from animals in wet food markents from there once it, the virus knows how to move from person to person it goes from person to person. Had hygene been higher in the markets which it was not because of povity and so on.
It still seems as if you are saying that the issue is that people aren't careful enough about avoiding uncontaminated food (like contaminated lettuce), and adding on that somehow people weren't adequately washing hands and such.
While, sure, things like masks, hand washing, etc., can help reduce the spread of existing diseases, and poor people in poor countries (or countries with lots of poor people) may have conditions that make human to human spread more likely (due to people being in close quarters and such), that's not really the issue with wet markets and especially wet markets that illegally include wildlife (including wildlife that is banned from being there).
Note: I think in this current case there is not clear-cut knowledge as to what happened or that it was related to a pangolin and/or bat as originally stated.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/04/coronavirus-linked-to-chinese-wet-markets/#close
The issue with the wet markets/wildlife markets is the mixing of live animals that can spread viruses to each other and lead to mutations that allow them to be spread to humans. Again, my understanding about why parts of China have been the source of some of these viruses is that the way farming works -- close contact between ducks (a reservoir for bird flu which humans cannot normally catch) and pigs (who can pass on flu to humans and catch it from ducks, leading to mutations making the bird flu potentially infectious to humans) -- https://old.post-gazette.com/healthscience/20010429chinafluhealth3.asp. Something similar seems likely to happen with the wet markets and might well have been the issue here.
It's the close contact between humans and animals and some types of animals with others (and potentially "exotic" animals with others passing on new viruses that humans had not been exposed to before.3 -
If you do not wash your salad properly as was suggested in the post i was replying to, where that person lives they have high levles of, word escapes me, virus contamination for want of a better term, obviously you can't be sure what is being transferred from hand to mouth. LIke i said we have and practice good hygene standards and things. our bagged salads are washed in clinically checked clean water. loose salads we do at home and its down to you if you don't follow expected standards.
FYI: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/lettuce-e-coli-contamination-1.4913956#:~:text=Washing the produce at home,not removing 100 per cent.
(And no, I didn't say you got viruses from lettuce. I was responding to your claim that the virus was created due to lack of sanitation. That seems a misunderstanding of how zoonotic diseases occur.)4 -
moonangel12 wrote: »Strudders67 wrote: »"Our local supermarkets are appealing to shoppers to examine items with their eyes instead of their hands before making a selection. This protects you from having to buy the items I already touched and left on the shelf."
Our's ask the same. Unfortunately, the key nutritional info for diabetics is on the back and if I need to compare items, to pick the one with the lowest carbs per 100g, I need to turn the packets round. If all supermarkets stocked the same cereal so that i could buy the same stuff each time, I'd be fine - but they don't.
Yes! I feel so guilty looking at items and then putting them back. But I have allergies and other restrictions so I have to look at them. I feel like everyone is watching and judging. Ugh. It's horrible. And you are also correct in that even if an item was safe before, it may not be now. So everything has to be checked!7 -
I give up7
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Maybe it true there is nothing new under the sun!
https://forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2020/04/29/protesting-during-a-pandemic-isnt-new-meet-the-anti-mask-league/?fbclid=IwAR3uoi07aM1tK2frpNniJrFT2w-nG0yV5t2-CmxfGvzM8NQieWFLlQhijjE#31c19d2c12f9
Nice piece, and although I'm reasonably sure it was not your intended point (as I have a strong sense you are part of the anti mask contingent, please correct me if I'm wrong), here's a good takeaway quoted from the piece:
"While it’s true that cloth masks are far from a perfect shield against tiny virus particles, but the best available data suggests that they’re much better than nothing when it comes to keeping infected people exhaling virus-laden droplets of spit and mucus all over the people around them. And since it’s possible to spread COVID-19 long before you realize you’re infected, wearing a mask is usually the responsible thing to do, just as it was in 1918."
Feel free to think what ever best meets your needs when it comes to me.
"Watch legendary Dr. Jane Goodall, DBE, Founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and UN Messenger of Peace, talk about why she thinks animals are not to blame for the current pandemic in this Coronavirus special series."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hStJvTv_Sh0&feature=youtu.be
Dr. Goodall has a wisdom about life that is very rare.
No no no! I DO blame animals: I blame Ratty McEvil Rat
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Strudders67 wrote: »"Our local supermarkets are appealing to shoppers to examine items with their eyes instead of their hands before making a selection. This protects you from having to buy the items I already touched and left on the shelf."
Our's ask the same. Unfortunately, the key nutritional info for diabetics is on the back and if I need to compare items, to pick the one with the lowest carbs per 100g, I need to turn the packets round. If all supermarkets stocked the same cereal so that i could buy the same stuff each time, I'd be fine - but they don't.
Also a diabetic. I generally compare info online, then double check my selection at the store. No need to fondle a bunch of different varieties to find which one is best. (Not that I would ever eat cereal, but that’s another subject.)1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
Also a diabetic. I generally compare info online, then double check my selection at the store. No need to fondle a bunch of different varieties to find which one is best. (Not that I would ever eat cereal, but that’s another subject.)
I have on more then one occasion done that... then gotten to the store and checked the actual product only to find that something has changed. If I had bought and ate the product based off of the online information and not the REAL information I would have been seriously ill.7 -
Until I get to the supermarket and see what they have, I can't check info - and I'm only going shopping in the bigger supermarkets once a month. The problem is that the supermarket doesn't always stock what I plan to buy. In some cases, what I'd bought previously is now discontinued.5
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I feel bad manhandling the produce...but my grocery store is notorious for putting out less than great produce so I have to pick up each item to examine it before I decide to select it. They like to put the soft or rotten side down so you can’t tell just by looking. I’ll just assume that no one’s going to buy that mushy cucumber anyways.10
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Thanks sweetie. I'm in a very happy mood now. I'm actually going out for the first time in months for a BBQ near the beach with my grandson and the family. Cooking my little heart out. Blueberry lemon drizzle cake is in the oven11 -
Some interesting discussions about how SARS-COV-2 is not a respiratory disease as much as a blood vessel disease.
https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext4 -
Fascinating, scary, hopeful, scary, @T1DCarnivoreRunner2
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Strudders67 wrote: »Until I get to the supermarket and see what they have, I can't check info - and I'm only going shopping in the bigger supermarkets once a month. The problem is that the supermarket doesn't always stock what I plan to buy. In some cases, what I'd bought previously is now discontinued.rheddmobile wrote: »
Also a diabetic. I generally compare info online, then double check my selection at the store. No need to fondle a bunch of different varieties to find which one is best. (Not that I would ever eat cereal, but that’s another subject.)
I have on more then one occasion done that... then gotten to the store and checked the actual product only to find that something has changed. If I had bought and ate the product based off of the online information and not the REAL information I would have been seriously ill.
Yep, that’s why I said to double check the box information at the store. Not that there’s any guarantee, in case of a discrepancy between the info on the box and the info on the company website, that the box is the correct one.
Even so, if I’m buying something as out there for diabetics as cereal, I know going in from research which varieties of cereal might be low enough in carbs to be candidates. Cereal by definition is cereal grains (straight carbs) processed to be even quicker to digest. An exception to that rule seems like it would be something you would know about before you got there.1 -
@mockchoc Thanks for your concern..I am being as vigilant as possible. Have not been to any store in almost 3 months, do online grocery which dh picks up contactless, have a mask in my pocket at all times in case I need it & try to avoid people when walking.
@kimny72 That is the way I handle our groceries, too..well, except for putting away..anything that doesn’t need to be refrigerated gets put aside to “quarantine” for at least 2-3 days or longer..until I need it. Have always been a hand washer, so no change there. Getting hard to find hand soap tho! No more tp shortage any more, tho.
Iowa has more cases than I am comfortable with, but definitely not an epicenter.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Some interesting discussions about how SARS-COV-2 is not a respiratory disease as much as a blood vessel disease.
https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext
Very interesting. That might explain why (here in Italy) survivors of COVID19 are asked to donate their blood. Andrea Boccelli just donated, and it was all over the News. The plasma is used on those who are fighting the disease. They've had good luck with this approach.4 -
snowflake954 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Some interesting discussions about how SARS-COV-2 is not a respiratory disease as much as a blood vessel disease.
https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext
Very interesting. That might explain why (here in Italy) survivors of COVID19 are asked to donate their blood. Andrea Boccelli just donated, and it was all over the News. The plasma is used on those who are fighting the disease. They've had good luck with this approach.
I thought it was because they wanted the antibodies. I know even if I had the antibodies, they wouldn't likely want my blood because I took beef insulin back in the 1990's. I can't donate blood because they are worried about vCJD (i.e. mad cow disease).10 -
The "general" subforum has lost its pages...we can't look at anything that's not on the first page.
I'm bumping this so it will go to the top.2 -
snowflake954 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Some interesting discussions about how SARS-COV-2 is not a respiratory disease as much as a blood vessel disease.
https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext
Very interesting. That might explain why (here in Italy) survivors of COVID19 are asked to donate their blood. Andrea Boccelli just donated, and it was all over the News. The plasma is used on those who are fighting the disease. They've had good luck with this approach.
100% of the patients I work with are COVID positive, and we have been giving the plasma to the patients who qualify for it, for around 3 weeks now - the results are astounding! I'm in Chicago, FWIW.14
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