Coronavirus prep
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75 new cases in Victoria today with heaps of Victorians travelling to NSW for school holidays. I’m genuinely very concerned.8
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Hanibanani2020 wrote: »75 new cases in Victoria today with heaps of Victorians travelling to NSW for school holidays. I’m genuinely very concerned.
NSW here... I wish they'd close the border, we don't need a second wave here. It's not looking good in Victoria at all
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slimgirljo15 wrote: »Hanibanani2020 wrote: »75 new cases in Victoria today with heaps of Victorians travelling to NSW for school holidays. I’m genuinely very concerned.
NSW here... I wish they'd close the border, we don't need a second wave here. It's not looking good in Victoria at all
It’s terrifying. I have no idea why they’re not closing the borders!4 -
I read some medical papers that came out of Wuhan back in late January describing what they were going through over there with the new Covid19 disease and so I began staying at home and stocking up on groceries by ordering from our local store and mail ordering some staples like rice, dried beans and canned goods. I haven't been outside my apartment since first of February. Nothing I have read here or in the world wide news gives me any confidence that I should step out into my apartment hallway even if I wear a mask. Thanks to everyone here that keeps posting the truth about the Pandemic because it is supporting me and others I'm sure to stay alive and keep from spreading SARS Cov 2 to others. I'm retired and so I can and need to stay isolated. I really feel for those who must go out or work under current conditions.
It is very discouraging that many people are blocked from good reasoning and are not being sensible out there. We have to keep courage and do the right thing difficult as it is. I really believe we can and we will have a good effect if we continue to take all the measures known to avoid being infected and that this Coronavirus is going to be defeated as its flimsy paultry little greasy coating melts by soaping and its little frail wispy legs fall off and become simply more dust under our feet.6 -
Hanibani and slimgirljo - I am in SA.
we are going to open our state borders on July 20th.
Nobody I have spoken too ( and I mix with a lot of the public at work and they all have something to say about this topic) is in favour of opening borders to non safe states.
Bubbles between SA, WA, NT - yes - but thats all.
Steven Marshall, our premier, has today said the opening to states like Victoria may be reviewed and is not neccesarily going to happen as planned.
I hope not.
Nothing personal against Victorians but no point is letting it spread to other states.4 -
I love that our premier said to stay away from people from Victoria. Not sure how you’re meant to vet every single person you come across to find out their origin.2
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Went to church yesterday (my husband is assistant pastor so a bit more “pressure” to be there... I know they would be OK with us staying home, but he is active in the service so he/we want to be there for support). We have hunkered down in our own little corner by ourselves, we get there early, wear our masks, use sanitizer frequently. We have been back for a month. The first week, about 50/50 mask usage, probably a little more. This week? Our family and one father/daughter duo were the only ones. And one lady asked my husband if she did something to make hime mad. He explained to her that we were just being cautious. It wasn’t her, we weren’t really interacting with many people at all. I feel a twinge of guilt (and am definitely self-conscious) not joining in the social circles, but I also am not comfortable jumping back into normal like it appears everyone else is. I kinda expected it though, we learned early on that germ awareness was weak with several families in particular (like my son going to one church friends house for a super bowl get together and when my husband picked him up there was another kid, who we know had the flu based on conversations that morning, was conked out in the recliner - we were NOT happy).9
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rheddmobile wrote: »
You do realize that New Jersey and Tulsa are not near each other?corinasue1143 wrote: »
Tulsa is about 1300 miles from New Jersey. .?
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rheddmobile wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
I’m sorry you won’t get to see them. As a diabetic, though, the news for obese diabetics is terrifying - I was reading a study specifically on diabetic risk factors, type 1 vs type 2 and whether or not glucose control has an effect. A type 2 with poor glucose control who gets covid-19 has 70 times the risk of death of a non-diabetic. It’s not so bad for well controlled diabetics - only 11 times the risk. That’s not 11% but 11 times. Basically if you are older, obese, and diabetic you won’t live through this. It’s only sane to live in fear at this point, especially when the Memphis area is saying more than half of current transmissions are coming from an unknown source, because it’s so widespread in the community. As for bathrooms, the virus is found in feces and aerosolized by toilet flushing, and most public toilets have no lid.
Pray we get a vaccine soon, and that a vaccine is even possible, because I don’t see how any of us in a vulnerable class are going to get back to normal without one.
I know, I know. It’s that “rationally I know xyz, but I really don’t *want* it to be true” operating. Totally irrational and I recognize that, which is why I totally understand their decision. And am thankful for somewhere to vent a little without anyone either screaming “of course you moron! They should never leave their house again no less see you!” or a Corina conspiracy type using it as a way to rant about the evils of lockdown and masks.
I’m just sad about the whole situation, and about having to tell my kids something they’ve looked forward to for so long won’t happen. When someone asks about going somewhere or doing something and the 4yo immediately says “we can’t...bc the coronavirus!” it’s just...sad.8 -
gradchica27 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
I’m sorry you won’t get to see them. As a diabetic, though, the news for obese diabetics is terrifying - I was reading a study specifically on diabetic risk factors, type 1 vs type 2 and whether or not glucose control has an effect. A type 2 with poor glucose control who gets covid-19 has 70 times the risk of death of a non-diabetic. It’s not so bad for well controlled diabetics - only 11 times the risk. That’s not 11% but 11 times. Basically if you are older, obese, and diabetic you won’t live through this. It’s only sane to live in fear at this point, especially when the Memphis area is saying more than half of current transmissions are coming from an unknown source, because it’s so widespread in the community. As for bathrooms, the virus is found in feces and aerosolized by toilet flushing, and most public toilets have no lid.
Pray we get a vaccine soon, and that a vaccine is even possible, because I don’t see how any of us in a vulnerable class are going to get back to normal without one.
I know, I know. It’s that “rationally I know xyz, but I really don’t *want* it to be true” operating. Totally irrational and I recognize that, which is why I totally understand their decision. And am thankful for somewhere to vent a little without anyone either screaming “of course you moron! They should never leave their house again no less see you!” or a Corina conspiracy type using it as a way to rant about the evils of lockdown and masks.
I’m just sad about the whole situation, and about having to tell my kids something they’ve looked forward to for so long won’t happen. When someone asks about going somewhere or doing something and the 4yo immediately says “we can’t...bc the coronavirus!” it’s just...sad.
I am also very sad. I haven't seen the kids in what seems like forever. Well, there's Zoom, but it's not hanging out and having those meaningful conversations at totally random times. Both granddaughters are growing like weeds. There's a marked spike in case rate here so us old folks are kinda back to square one in terms of "hunkering" and realistically, that's going to be more or less the case until there's an effective vaccine, if there ever is one. Being at peace with what is becomes hard as the months pass.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »seem.
The burning of a trailer of horses by protesters has changed the minds of many in middle USA and more and more citizens are getting stocked up to meet force with a greater force. That may not work out well so we need to get prepped with a good stock of food due to violence spreading the virus in an uncontrollable manner.
There is no evidence of that https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/08/facebook-posts/no-evidence-fire-or-burned-horses-after-truck-driv/
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Ok I get it. I knew about the horse trailer in Tulsa, but never saw where anyone said the horses were burned. In fact, I’m not sure if the news stories I read even said if there were any horses (or other animals) inside. I googled and found the horses burned in the accident in New Jersey. Sorry for the mix up.3
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gradchica27 wrote: »Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
I don't think your parents need to be living in fear to decide not to come. Most epidemiologists and healthcare workers I read would advise against travel right now, as well as using public facilities, except in emergencies. Who knows how crowded the restroom or gas station shop would be, and how careful the other travelers there would be? It would be awful if they have been being vigilant this whole time and then someone sneezed on one of them in a rest stop restroom and they caught it.
It is sad, lots of people are missing out on lots of stuff. But if your parents are anxious about smaller trips, the stress from driving to see you guys would probably be very stressful for them and not fun at all.
My dad who is in his 70s has officially lost patience and has started socializing with people like nothing is wrong. I'm terrified he is going to get it and bring it home to my mom. And I'm angry that now I have to look at my parents as possible vectors rather than a house I could slowly start to consider a safe zone.
Anyway, hang in there. I'm sad too, I miss seeing my family regularly, stopping by for dinner, hugging my nephews. I just keep telling myself it's short term pain for a long term benefit. But yeah, it hurts.12 -
Gradchica - it may not just be fear of Covid, but the fact that as you get older, long drives become less appealing. My husband's family lives about 2.5 hours from us in MD. We usually go there for holidays. Whenever we go, it takes a few days to recover, both from the drive and from being around a large group of people. Normally we are very isolated, so talking to a lot of people at once can be exhausting. We were invited to a 4th of July party there and I immediately said, No. Part of that is the fact that there are lots of kids (age 7 to 21) who are not necessarily social distancing, plus adults who are working and traveling, while my husband is 80 and diabetic, but partly it is just that I hate driving in the traffic in the DC area. Yesterday DH's sons and their wives came to visit unexpectedly. It was great to see them after 3 months, but at the same time, I felt like it was such a risk when I knew that they are not very cautious when they are out and about. They brought masks, but ended up not wearing them. It's hard to eat pizza with a mask on. I talked to my husband about it and we both just shrugged our shoulders and said, "Que sera, sera!" We'll see what happens two weeks from now. But at least their visit means we won't feel pressure to go down there next weekend.15
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gradchica27 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
I’m sorry you won’t get to see them. As a diabetic, though, the news for obese diabetics is terrifying - I was reading a study specifically on diabetic risk factors, type 1 vs type 2 and whether or not glucose control has an effect. A type 2 with poor glucose control who gets covid-19 has 70 times the risk of death of a non-diabetic. It’s not so bad for well controlled diabetics - only 11 times the risk. That’s not 11% but 11 times. Basically if you are older, obese, and diabetic you won’t live through this. It’s only sane to live in fear at this point, especially when the Memphis area is saying more than half of current transmissions are coming from an unknown source, because it’s so widespread in the community. As for bathrooms, the virus is found in feces and aerosolized by toilet flushing, and most public toilets have no lid.
Pray we get a vaccine soon, and that a vaccine is even possible, because I don’t see how any of us in a vulnerable class are going to get back to normal without one.
I know, I know. It’s that “rationally I know xyz, but I really don’t *want* it to be true” operating. Totally irrational and I recognize that, which is why I totally understand their decision. And am thankful for somewhere to vent a little without anyone either screaming “of course you moron! They should never leave their house again no less see you!” or a Corina conspiracy type using it as a way to rant about the evils of lockdown and masks.
I’m just sad about the whole situation, and about having to tell my kids something they’ve looked forward to for so long won’t happen. When someone asks about going somewhere or doing something and the 4yo immediately says “we can’t...bc the coronavirus!” it’s just...sad.
I feel you. I used to hear that daily from my kids. Now they don't even bother talking about doing things. It is so very sad.
We've had so many things we've been looking forward to ruined this year.
We basically have to quarantine at home most of the time to protect my elderly father because so many people here don't "believe in" COVID-19.
We do go camping every few weeks, but they can't go to the playground and hang with other kids which is the favorite part for most of them. At least they can ride their bikes.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
I'm pondering the same thing, so I don't think it's crazy.
This is what I noticed:
- The persistent shortages in my area were paper products (still a 1-box limit on kleenex tissue), eggs, flour & yeast much harder to get than any kind of bread (only JUST got yeast last week, been trying for months) and to some extent meat.
- I totally underestimated the ability to have groceries delivered. Not knowing if I could count on that, I bought some frozen vegetables that we have not touched because we have had no problem getting fresh. I also froze meat that I normally would buy fresh only when I needed it.
- Once I got the hang of the delivery service (and the egg situation resolved), we got by on one delivery/wk. Still doing that. We are in a hot spot and STILL doing delivery or contact-less curbside pickup. Can't always get exactly what we want, so I'm ordering a little early on stuff in case we have to wait a couple weeks for it. (Initially when we could get eggs at all, many stores had a 2-doz limit. I was provisioning for my family of 5 adults plus 2 sets of parents in their 80's, and everyone wanted eggs. This compelled more delivery attempts early on. Both sets of parents are now ordering their own deliveries, which helps a lot.)
- We get terrible storms that ALWAYS take out our electricity in the spring, so I'm careful not to load the freezer up too much. Man have we been lucky this spring with more meat in the freezer than usual in the early months of the shelter-in-place. We have now eaten without replenishing much of the meat because we have been able to get enough fresh on a regular enough basis. Still keeping extra bacon & sausage in the freezer.
My area is still ramping up on the first wave. Nonetheless, when I think about what I would do differently for a second wave in the fall, the main things I would factor in are grocery delivery and fewer mouths to feed. Both sets of parents are more self sufficient now. One kid graduated from college and is living on her own. Two others are going back to school (one there now, one going in the fall). Both schools are starting earlier, cancelling fall break and ceasing in person classes for the term at Thanksgiving (finishing term & exams online). I don't expect them back before Thanksgiving, but we have learned to expect the unexpected. I think I'm going to stock less food and more cleaning supplies. I also got a pulse oximeter. Our kids have been ordering their own personal care items online without a problem so I don't see a need to stock up on that, either.
The college scene is going to be hard. They live in such close quarters. It would be nice if colleges had old fashioned infirmaries so infected kids could isolate there, but I do not see that happening. One daughter goes to college in PA in a county that was the first to be locked down. Two of six roommates had mild Covid cases and recovered. The same six are living together plus 2 more next year. I have no idea what they will do if one gets sick. There isn't a way to isolate at all.8 -
baconslave wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
I’m sorry you won’t get to see them. As a diabetic, though, the news for obese diabetics is terrifying - I was reading a study specifically on diabetic risk factors, type 1 vs type 2 and whether or not glucose control has an effect. A type 2 with poor glucose control who gets covid-19 has 70 times the risk of death of a non-diabetic. It’s not so bad for well controlled diabetics - only 11 times the risk. That’s not 11% but 11 times. Basically if you are older, obese, and diabetic you won’t live through this. It’s only sane to live in fear at this point, especially when the Memphis area is saying more than half of current transmissions are coming from an unknown source, because it’s so widespread in the community. As for bathrooms, the virus is found in feces and aerosolized by toilet flushing, and most public toilets have no lid.
Pray we get a vaccine soon, and that a vaccine is even possible, because I don’t see how any of us in a vulnerable class are going to get back to normal without one.
I know, I know. It’s that “rationally I know xyz, but I really don’t *want* it to be true” operating. Totally irrational and I recognize that, which is why I totally understand their decision. And am thankful for somewhere to vent a little without anyone either screaming “of course you moron! They should never leave their house again no less see you!” or a Corina conspiracy type using it as a way to rant about the evils of lockdown and masks.
I’m just sad about the whole situation, and about having to tell my kids something they’ve looked forward to for so long won’t happen. When someone asks about going somewhere or doing something and the 4yo immediately says “we can’t...bc the coronavirus!” it’s just...sad.
I feel you. I used to hear that daily from my kids. Now they don't even bother talking about doing things. It is so very sad.
We've had so many things we've been looking forward to ruined this year.
We basically have to quarantine at home most of the time to protect my elderly father because so many people here don't "believe in" COVID-19.
We do go camping every few weeks, but they can't go to the playground and hang with other kids which is the favorite part for most of them. At least they can ride their bikes.
It's going to be interesting to see what future effects this has on the young generation (if any).
Look at the life-long values we still see in many people who lived through the Great Depression, like frugality and a be-happy-for-what-you-have attitude.
In the same way that children of the Depression say "Did you really spend $8 on that loaf of organic bread?", will your kids someday grow up to say "Did you really just touch your face and then give me a hug?"
I'm not saying that today's kids will be horribly scarred from this experience and have negative repercussions for the rest of their lives, but they might grow up with a different perspective on some things.13 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »baconslave wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
I’m sorry you won’t get to see them. As a diabetic, though, the news for obese diabetics is terrifying - I was reading a study specifically on diabetic risk factors, type 1 vs type 2 and whether or not glucose control has an effect. A type 2 with poor glucose control who gets covid-19 has 70 times the risk of death of a non-diabetic. It’s not so bad for well controlled diabetics - only 11 times the risk. That’s not 11% but 11 times. Basically if you are older, obese, and diabetic you won’t live through this. It’s only sane to live in fear at this point, especially when the Memphis area is saying more than half of current transmissions are coming from an unknown source, because it’s so widespread in the community. As for bathrooms, the virus is found in feces and aerosolized by toilet flushing, and most public toilets have no lid.
Pray we get a vaccine soon, and that a vaccine is even possible, because I don’t see how any of us in a vulnerable class are going to get back to normal without one.
I know, I know. It’s that “rationally I know xyz, but I really don’t *want* it to be true” operating. Totally irrational and I recognize that, which is why I totally understand their decision. And am thankful for somewhere to vent a little without anyone either screaming “of course you moron! They should never leave their house again no less see you!” or a Corina conspiracy type using it as a way to rant about the evils of lockdown and masks.
I’m just sad about the whole situation, and about having to tell my kids something they’ve looked forward to for so long won’t happen. When someone asks about going somewhere or doing something and the 4yo immediately says “we can’t...bc the coronavirus!” it’s just...sad.
I feel you. I used to hear that daily from my kids. Now they don't even bother talking about doing things. It is so very sad.
We've had so many things we've been looking forward to ruined this year.
We basically have to quarantine at home most of the time to protect my elderly father because so many people here don't "believe in" COVID-19.
We do go camping every few weeks, but they can't go to the playground and hang with other kids which is the favorite part for most of them. At least they can ride their bikes.
It's going to be interesting to see what future effects this has on the young generation (if any).
Look at the life-long values we still see in many people who lived through the Great Depression, like frugality and a be-happy-for-what-you-have attitude.
In the same way that children of the Depression say "Did you really spend $8 on that loaf of organic bread?", will your kids someday grow up to say "Did you really just touch your face and then give me a hug?"
I'm not saying that today's kids will be horribly scarred from this experience and have negative repercussions for the rest of their lives, but they might grow up with a different perspective on some things.
I wonder. I read a few books on the 1918 flu when this all started, and one thing they all said was that it was something no one really talked about later. And of course there was widespread mask wearing then that soon stopped. One of the theories was that it was so traumatic -- and that flu, of course, killed both children and many younger healthy adults (the latter being one of the things making it so different from the usual flu) -- that people just had to forget about it as well as possible.
But that was different in the timing of it just because so many people got it and died so quickly, at least with the second wave, and of course came at the end of the traumatic events of WW1.3 -
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/west-virginia-gym-covid-exposure-trnd/index.html
And my Peloton stock keeps going up and up. Planet Fitness in WV alerting all members they could have been exposed to Covid-19 and are shutting back down for a while.
Wildfires have moved on. Not hardly under control but our side of the mountain has been pretty much burned to a crisp at anything over 6,000 ft elevation. The Forest Service did save Summerhaven from what they've said with minimal structure damage, so that's one thing good. Around 70% of the mountain range has burned down. High winds again today and they are battling it now East of the mountain. Fear is it will be a huge brush fire now. We live West of the mountain, so though we're good, still praying for rain. Chance of it on Wed and Thursday.
We are now able to go outside with being gassed out by the smoke and even swam on Sunday, which was a huge treat. Also went out on Saturday and ate out on a patio again (only 100 degrees!). It actually didn't feel that bad as the week before was mostly 105 and 106 highs.
I think I heard that AZ is now up to 92% ICU capacity. Just waiting for them to close back down bars. Wouldn't shock me a bit. Probably should reconsider gyms as well.8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
I'm pondering the same thing, so I don't think it's crazy. This is what I noticed:
- The persistent shortages in my area were paper products (still a 1-box limit on kleenex tissue), eggs, flour & yeast much harder to get than any kind of bread (only JUST got yeast last week, been trying for months) and to some extent meat.
- I totally underestimated the ability to have groceries delivered. Not knowing if I could count on that, I bought some frozen vegetables that we have not touched because we have had no problem getting fresh. I also froze meat that I normally would buy fresh only when I needed it.
- Once I got the hang of the delivery service (and the egg situation resolved), we got by on one delivery/wk. Still doing that. We are in a hot spot and STILL doing delivery or contact-less curbside pickup. Can't always get exactly what we want, so I'm ordering a little early on stuff in case we have to wait a couple weeks for it. (Initially when we could get eggs at all, many stores had a 2-doz limit. I was provisioning for my family of 5 adults plus 2 sets of parents in their 80's, and everyone wanted eggs. This compelled more delivery attempts early on. Both sets of parents are now ordering their own deliveries, which helps a lot.)
- We get terrible storms that ALWAYS take out our electricity in the spring, so I'm careful not to load the freezer up too much. Man have we been lucky this spring with more meat in the freezer than usual in the early months of the shelter-in-place. We have now eaten without replenishing much of the meat because we have been able to get enough fresh on a regular enough basis. Still keeping extra bacon & sausage in the freezer.
My area is still ramping up on the first wave. Nonetheless, when I think about what I would do differently for a second wave in the fall, the main things I would factor in are grocery delivery and fewer mouths to feed. Both sets of parents are more self sufficient now. One kid graduated from college and is living on her own. Two others are going back to school (one there now, one going in the fall). Both schools are starting earlier, cancelling fall break and ceasing in person classes for the term at Thanksgiving (finishing term & exams online). I don't expect them back before Thanksgiving, but we have learned to expect the unexpected. I think I'm going to stock less food and more cleaning supplies. I also got a pulse oximeter. Our kids have been ordering their own personal care items online without a problem so I don't see a need to stock up on that, either.
The college scene is going to be hard. They live in such close quarters. It would be nice if colleges had old fashioned infirmaries so infected kids could isolate there, but I do not see that happening. One daughter goes to college in PA in a county that was the first to be locked down. Two of six roommates had mild Covid cases and recovered. The same six are living together plus 2 more next year. I have no idea what they will do if one gets sick. There isn't a way to isolate at all.
Your last paragraph reads like a plan for an unofficial human research project. Our daughter is online right now but to be back to having on campus classes in Aug. There is NO settled science today when it comes to COVID-19. I see no vaccine coming most likely.
https://thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-covid-19-immunity-new-study-that-is-yet-to-be-peer-reviewed-says-humans-may-never-develop-immunity-against-covid-191 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
I'm pondering the same thing, so I don't think it's crazy. This is what I noticed:
- The persistent shortages in my area were paper products (still a 1-box limit on kleenex tissue), eggs, flour & yeast much harder to get than any kind of bread (only JUST got yeast last week, been trying for months) and to some extent meat.
- I totally underestimated the ability to have groceries delivered. Not knowing if I could count on that, I bought some frozen vegetables that we have not touched because we have had no problem getting fresh. I also froze meat that I normally would buy fresh only when I needed it.
- Once I got the hang of the delivery service (and the egg situation resolved), we got by on one delivery/wk. Still doing that. We are in a hot spot and STILL doing delivery or contact-less curbside pickup. Can't always get exactly what we want, so I'm ordering a little early on stuff in case we have to wait a couple weeks for it. (Initially when we could get eggs at all, many stores had a 2-doz limit. I was provisioning for my family of 5 adults plus 2 sets of parents in their 80's, and everyone wanted eggs. This compelled more delivery attempts early on. Both sets of parents are now ordering their own deliveries, which helps a lot.)
- We get terrible storms that ALWAYS take out our electricity in the spring, so I'm careful not to load the freezer up too much. Man have we been lucky this spring with more meat in the freezer than usual in the early months of the shelter-in-place. We have now eaten without replenishing much of the meat because we have been able to get enough fresh on a regular enough basis. Still keeping extra bacon & sausage in the freezer.
My area is still ramping up on the first wave. Nonetheless, when I think about what I would do differently for a second wave in the fall, the main things I would factor in are grocery delivery and fewer mouths to feed. Both sets of parents are more self sufficient now. One kid graduated from college and is living on her own. Two others are going back to school (one there now, one going in the fall). Both schools are starting earlier, cancelling fall break and ceasing in person classes for the term at Thanksgiving (finishing term & exams online). I don't expect them back before Thanksgiving, but we have learned to expect the unexpected. I think I'm going to stock less food and more cleaning supplies. I also got a pulse oximeter. Our kids have been ordering their own personal care items online without a problem so I don't see a need to stock up on that, either.
The college scene is going to be hard. They live in such close quarters. It would be nice if colleges had old fashioned infirmaries so infected kids could isolate there, but I do not see that happening. One daughter goes to college in PA in a county that was the first to be locked down. Two of six roommates had mild Covid cases and recovered. The same six are living together plus 2 more next year. I have no idea what they will do if one gets sick. There isn't a way to isolate at all.
We live in a college town, currently the administration is saying they are coming back with some live classes, labs and some remote learning. All with proper social distancing of course.
Unfortunately I think the proper social distancing goes out the window about an hour after the first beer is opened.7 -
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Are these masks good for germ prevention? Or as good as wearing scarves, etc.? I've been seeing a few of them out and about.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
The college scene is going to be hard. They live in such close quarters. It would be nice if colleges had old fashioned infirmaries so infected kids could isolate there, but I do not see that happening. One daughter goes to college in PA in a county that was the first to be locked down. Two of six roommates had mild Covid cases and recovered. The same six are living together plus 2 more next year. I have no idea what they will do if one gets sick. There isn't a way to isolate at all.
Actually, there are many universities that are designating entire dorm buildings for students who need to be in quarantine, either because of a positive test or known exposure.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
The college scene is going to be hard. They live in such close quarters. It would be nice if colleges had old fashioned infirmaries so infected kids could isolate there, but I do not see that happening. One daughter goes to college in PA in a county that was the first to be locked down. Two of six roommates had mild Covid cases and recovered. The same six are living together plus 2 more next year. I have no idea what they will do if one gets sick. There isn't a way to isolate at all.
Actually, there are many universities that are designating entire dorm buildings for students who need to be in quarantine, either because of a positive test or known exposure.
That is heartening. I hope the 2 universities our daughters attend get with that program.Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
I'm pondering the same thing, so I don't think it's crazy. This is what I noticed:
- The persistent shortages in my area were paper products (still a 1-box limit on kleenex tissue), eggs, flour & yeast much harder to get than any kind of bread (only JUST got yeast last week, been trying for months) and to some extent meat.
- I totally underestimated the ability to have groceries delivered. Not knowing if I could count on that, I bought some frozen vegetables that we have not touched because we have had no problem getting fresh. I also froze meat that I normally would buy fresh only when I needed it.
- Once I got the hang of the delivery service (and the egg situation resolved), we got by on one delivery/wk. Still doing that. We are in a hot spot and STILL doing delivery or contact-less curbside pickup. Can't always get exactly what we want, so I'm ordering a little early on stuff in case we have to wait a couple weeks for it. (Initially when we could get eggs at all, many stores had a 2-doz limit. I was provisioning for my family of 5 adults plus 2 sets of parents in their 80's, and everyone wanted eggs. This compelled more delivery attempts early on. Both sets of parents are now ordering their own deliveries, which helps a lot.)
- We get terrible storms that ALWAYS take out our electricity in the spring, so I'm careful not to load the freezer up too much. Man have we been lucky this spring with more meat in the freezer than usual in the early months of the shelter-in-place. We have now eaten without replenishing much of the meat because we have been able to get enough fresh on a regular enough basis. Still keeping extra bacon & sausage in the freezer.
My area is still ramping up on the first wave. Nonetheless, when I think about what I would do differently for a second wave in the fall, the main things I would factor in are grocery delivery and fewer mouths to feed. Both sets of parents are more self sufficient now. One kid graduated from college and is living on her own. Two others are going back to school (one there now, one going in the fall). Both schools are starting earlier, cancelling fall break and ceasing in person classes for the term at Thanksgiving (finishing term & exams online). I don't expect them back before Thanksgiving, but we have learned to expect the unexpected. I think I'm going to stock less food and more cleaning supplies. I also got a pulse oximeter. Our kids have been ordering their own personal care items online without a problem so I don't see a need to stock up on that, either.
The college scene is going to be hard. They live in such close quarters. It would be nice if colleges had old fashioned infirmaries so infected kids could isolate there, but I do not see that happening. One daughter goes to college in PA in a county that was the first to be locked down. Two of six roommates had mild Covid cases and recovered. The same six are living together plus 2 more next year. I have no idea what they will do if one gets sick. There isn't a way to isolate at all.
We live in a college town, currently the administration is saying they are coming back with some live classes, labs and some remote learning. All with proper social distancing of course.
Unfortunately I think the proper social distancing goes out the window about an hour after the first beer is opened.
True. I'l less concerned about the social distance in the classroom for the 1 hr class a couple times/wk than the residence situation where they spend many hours every day. Yet university communication seems focused on classroom only.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
I'm thinking now might be a better time to do Christmas shopping. I'm joking, kind of.
I'm stocking up on TP for Christmas gifts.
Also joking. Kind of. 8 -
Ooooohhhhh... that has some “fun” potential! Stack them like a tree and decorate; unroll part way and write messages on a few squares, reroll carefully; wrap them individually, then a layer of duct tape, some zip ties, etc. for added laughs...JustSomeEm wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »In the US here btw.
Is anyone else planning on how they may stock up before Fall/Winter? While I know we are not even out of wave 1 in most places, I also know that a Fall/Winter with Covid plus flu plus the other normal illnesses for that time of the year is going to be a mess. I am figuring out how to eat through what I have in the freezer now so I can restock. Also taking notes of what I bought this last time and did not eat or what I struggled to get this last time around.
I'm not much worried about food. There was always food in the stores during the worst of shut downs and panic buying here, even if there wasn't always everything you wanted. And I'm pretty flexible about eating what's available.
I've made a list of non-food items that were in short supply for the first two to three months (hand sanitizer, various types of household disinfectant cleaning products, soap, toilet paper, paper towels, facial tissues, vitamin D) that I feel are important for health and hygiene, and every time I go to the store I buy something from the list, which I wouldn't normally have to do every shopping trip, so I'm gradually building up a little stockpile for when the next wave hits and the store shelves empty again.
Maybe I'll think about adding things like powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, yeast, dried beans, rice, oats, and other grains to the list, but really, I didn't make that much of a dent in my regular stock of those things during the first wave, because, as I said, it was never as if there was no food at all available to buy. Even when there was no dairy milk available, there was soy and other nondairy milk available. And when there were no fresh eggs in the grocery stores, I was able to find them at a farm stand and at a Greek bakery that started selling them for pickup orders, along with lebneh, olives, and some pantry staples.
For me part of it is the fact that I do have a slightly increased risk and my issues with masks. So I want to be prepared so I am not having to go out as much. It will also help with my anxiety if things start picking up again.
Thank you for the reminder about supplements and facial tissues. I will add those to my list to start picking up over time.
As for food I was thinking about the stuff I eat ALL the time. Like chicken, asian noodles (udons, soba, ramen), rice, coconut aminos, broths/stocks, yeast, frozen broccoli, other frozen veggies (for like soups) etc. That sort of stuff. I won't worry about things I don't eat all that much or items that I didn't have a lot of trouble finding (fresh produce or fish for example). I also learned that I don't really eat canned veggies or canned soup since making them both fresh is just as easy. I'm not worried about bread as long as I have yeast and flour. Easier to make my own anyway due to food allergies and restrictions.
I know I may come across as a bit... crazy. I just want to feel prepared for what I KNOW is going to be a bad fall/winter.
I'm thinking now might be a better time to do Christmas shopping. I'm joking, kind of.
I'm stocking up on TP for Christmas gifts.
Also joking. Kind of.
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gradchica27 wrote: »Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
You would probably be sadder if your parents get sick. So be happy that they are smart and they try their best to be safe. My husband and I haven't seen two grandchildren since Christmas and the other two since January. They don't live near by, so getting together and for us driving or flying is too risky due to our age. Our kids understand that, but if they didn't I would be a little disappointed.15 -
We’re at a crossroads with this dilemma with my husband’s family. They have been dropping all sorts of comments about us coming to visit, and we actually were loosely entertaining the idea... but now that we said something to them they are backpedaling. I think it was easy to “blame” us and make it our fault they hadn’t seen the kids in so many months... argh. I told my husband that’s fine, we’re not super comfortable with the idea anyway (they are out and about more than we are, and everyone still gets together frequently (4 households, 8 adults)... his cousin even came for a visit and she’s a nurse that was/is working directly with COVID patients!! Plus 6 hours one way, have done it once with no stops, but usually we need at least one, especially with the dog)...gradchica27 wrote: »Just got a call from my mom in S.C. (mid 70s, she and my dad have some risk factors—obesity, diabetes for 1, lupus for the other) that they are not going to come see my brother and I in AR for the 4th, as is yearly custom. Mostly bc they’re scared to travel, by car. They would stay at my brothers and go no where else, save gas/potty stops on the drive. Brother and SIL work from home, don’t socialize, and are very cautious. I suppose we’re the weak link—husband is a physician and works in clinic and hospital settings, we’re outdoors at kids’ baseball games and soccer practices, and do see a few friends. So maybe they just don’t want us to feel bad that we’re the real reason, not the travel? Idk. 2 minutes, masked, in a bathroom, washing hands and probably hand sanitizing for good measure doesn’t seem like that much of a risk? I mean, they get gas and sometimes have to stop at a grocery store bathroom on a longer dr trip (what in normal places should be a 20’min drive can easily be an hour there w traffic) in their hometown, which is spiking just as bad as my brother’s town and points in between.
I’m sad that we won’t see them—I understand they’re nervous and are in a fairly vulnerable class, but the whole situation just makes me sad. When everyone on here says they’re not “living in fear”, that’s great. But I am starting to realize my parents may be. They haven’t see us or their grandchildren since Christmas, and have been staying home and rarely venturing out save for groceries or necessary doctors appts this whole time and each outing is full of anxiety.
I’m sorry this did not really have a point except that I’m sad. And maybe gym had too much chocolate and wine tonight.
You would probably be sadder if your parents get sick. So be happy that they are smart and they try their best to be safe. My husband and I haven't seen two grandchildren since Christmas and the other two since January. They don't live near by, so getting together and for us driving or flying is too risky due to our age. Our kids understand that, but if they didn't I would be a little disappointed.
but if we don’t go, the comments need to stop. He’s afraid it might be now or never to see his dad and gpa... dad is in poor health with out of control diabetes and his gpa is 87 - Still going pretty strong (barber and farmer), but definitely slowing down.
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The most difficult part of this pandemic is not seeing my family. My daughter and son, with spouses and 3 grandchildren live in CO. We were there in November last year for my grandson's 2nd birthday and haven't seen any of them since. My other daughter lives in SF and has been isolating herself since this began. She did drive down here to So Cal in May for a 2 week visit and was able to work from our house. We had so much fun and even heated the pool so we could swim.
I've been very careful personally, as has my husband. I was able to have hip replacement surgery on May 27th after waiting 9 weeks because of Covid. It was frightening in some respects, being in the hospital overnight and interacting with so many offices and labs ahead of surgery. I'm beginning to wonder if I was the lucky one though because cases are climbing again here in CA and I think they may have to cancel elective surgeries again.
My daughter (the one in CO with the 2 year old) is 8 weeks pregnant and hoping to drive here with her husband and son in the middle of July but I can tell she's nervous about bringing the virus here, even though they both work from home, the little guy is back in daycare. And I'm worried about her catching it because they're saying now that pregnant women who contract it get more sick than non-pregnant women of the same age. Not sure it's true, but it is something to worry about.
It's hard for me not to resent people who don't, or didn't, have the consideration for the rest of us to wear masks and now the cases are climbing. We've tried so hard here to do the right thing by protecting ourselves and others.....
I'm sad too that so many states are seeing a climb in cases and hospitalizations, who knows what things will look like in the Fall now? I feel it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better but I desperately hope I'm wrong. I can't change any of it though so will try to keep following the rules and stay safe and healthy. I still have a lot to live for!14 -
paperpudding wrote: »Hanibani and slimgirljo - I am in SA.
we are going to open our state borders on July 20th.
Nobody I have spoken too ( and I mix with a lot of the public at work and they all have something to say about this topic) is in favour of opening borders to non safe states.
Bubbles between SA, WA, NT - yes - but thats all.
Steven Marshall, our premier, has today said the opening to states like Victoria may be reviewed and is not neccesarily going to happen as planned.
I hope not.
Nothing personal against Victorians but no point is letting it spread to other states.
Exactly.. I hope they get it under control before it spreads much further. So far the border is open between NSW and Vic but I think a day or two of big numbers in Victoria and that will change I think. I saw last night on the news talk of locking down just those areas around Melbourne ( hot spots) and saw them doing door to door testing .2
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