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Hanibanani2020 wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I knew it was one of the two.
Wouldn't want to be a Victorian right now..
poor buggers.. crap has really hit the fan.
My sister lives in Melbourne and it’s a s***storm atm
Really sorry to hear that. Hope she's ok.0 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »Hanibanani2020 wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I knew it was one of the two.
Wouldn't want to be a Victorian right now.. poor buggers.. crap has really hit the fan.
My sister lives in Melbourne and it’s a s***storm atm
Really sorry to hear that. Hope she's ok.
She is OK just very stressed.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.
Have you pointed out that even if you don't come along, he could still bring it home? I'd make up a spare bedroom for him and have him use a separate bathroom, if it were me.
Yes - that was part of our conversation, that if he gets it, the likelihood of me contracting it is high. Our house is tiny (one bathroom) but spare bedroom is an option - when I came down with a cold last month I got tested (if I could catch a cold, I could catch corona) and slept in another room, wore a mask indoors, wiped down the bathroom surfaces and other common areas after I used them, washed before/during preparing meals etc. Two days of that was tiresome and I am glad the test came back negative (he went in the same day I did and got the same result). Just hoping that some sense kicks in between now and then ... which is when we will know whether the holiday activities pushed the infection rate higher.6 -
NM has halted any further lifting of restrictions. We have seen a small spike in our rate, but we're still below 5%...actually I think we're somewhere around 3.6% now. A lot of people want the governor to just open everything up to full go, but thankfully she's smarter than that and actually following the CDC guidance for opening.
Another reason she doesn't want to just open the flood gates is due to the fact that we are bordered by Texas and Arizona who have seen huge spikes in their infection rate, and with many of their hospitals at or near capacity, our hospitals are seeing some overflow from those states. Our ICU capacity in New Mexico isn't great and we only have a handful of hospitals who can do that.
Most things are open here with capacity restrictions. We've yet to go out to eat at a restaurant...still not comfortable with that, and I've also cancelled my big box gym membership...I don't think I'll be comfortable with that for a very long time and frankly I've always felt it was one big pitre dish anyway.
One major gripe with people is that state parks are open for day use only and no camping. All kinds of people complaining that they can't go camping...yet they can, just not in a state park. National Forest Service campgrounds make up the bulk of camping opportunities in the state, and there is an abundance of dispersed camping opportunities in our mountains...but people would rather just complain. If they want to camp, they can...I've been out camping pretty much every other weekend since early May. One of the primary issues with state parks is that a large number of their employees that staff the parks are seasonal and start hiring on in March...and that didn't happen. They simply don't have the staffing levels to be open for day use and camping 24/7.
Personally, I think our state parks kind of suck for getting away and going camping...they're always packed with both day users and campers and the sites are all very close together and people are just loud and disrespectful and trash the place thinking someone will just come along to pick up their garbage. I'd much prefer a NFS campground any day.8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately, I think it will tend to follow the pattern we were seeing in that big bar-related outbreak I've been reporting on, in my county in Michigan. I haven't looked lately, but last I knew, we were up to something like 180 cases from that one place.
Earlier, at 138 cases, it was 119 primary (went to the bar) and 19 secondary (got it from someone who went to the bar). The primary cases were all in the 18-28 age range. The secondaries were 16-63.
That's the pattern I expect - sadly- to see play out, with the tendency for some younger people to be more cavalier about exposure and precautions: Within a week or two, we'll see that they've given it to higher-risk people, directly or indirectly.
I think some family members (not to mention co-workers!) are unaware of other people's risky behaviors, and very few people are literally 100% isolating. If the grandkid comes over to clean the grandparent's gutters or mow the lawn, contact is possible/likely; or family gatherings happen where everyone swears they've been cautious (but the kids are keeping quiet about bar-hopping or partying). Or, the kid parties on Saturday, goes home to live with mom and dad who are in their 40s, but helping care for elders who live nearby, or have elders living with them.11 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
OTheoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
One state was planning on using licence plate state info but that would be iffy. KY the last time I checked was not on the list band by any state but FL, TX and others are band so I could leave KY and spend a week on the beaches of FL than drive straight to NY I guess. Tracking this kind of info is easier to do in a place like China than in the USA. At the age of 69 I am starting to think elected officials tend top say anything that will grab them some media attention.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Do any of the stores around you offer curbside pickup? I never used it before, but now it's the only way I get groceries (other than pantry items shipped). I'm very cautious and still disinfect everything before bringing it inside, but haven't had any problems this way.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Do any of the stores around you offer curbside pickup? I never used it before, but now it's the only way I get groceries (other than pantry items shipped). I'm very cautious and still disinfect everything before bringing it inside, but haven't had any problems this way.
Kroger does, but I haven't tried it and have heard they don't always get it right anyway. But yes, maybe curbside pickup is the next best option when delivery isn't available.1 -
Some articles of interest. Although I admit that are not easy to read.
'Silent spreaders' may be responsible for half of Covid-19 cases, study finds https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/covid-19-silent-spreaders-wellness/index.html
I got Covid-19 two months ago. I'm still discovering new areas of damage -- Richard Quest
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/richard-quest-covid-wellness-intl/index.html
The article below was written by an Eisenhower Med.Ct. doctor
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10220147983144511&id=10739650712 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.
Have you pointed out that even if you don't come along, he could still bring it home? I'd make up a spare bedroom for him and have him use a separate bathroom, if it were me.
I agree. Weddings and funerals rank fairly high on the risk continuum, unfortunately.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Yup. And even if you have a spouse or adult children to shop for you, that just creates a transmission vector to bring the virus to you at home.
This idea that everyone at higher risk can stay home while the rest of the world goes about its business ignores both (1) that a sizeable percentage of the population, including the working population, has chronic conditions that put them at risk, and that (2) a sizeable percentage of the non-working at-risk population needs at least some assistance with basic daily activities, if not frequent health care.
The economy isn't going to roll on smoothly if the at-risk can't work because they would have to do so alongside people who think that they don't need to wear masks or avoid large gatherings. And providing care to those at-risk individuals who need it is going to continue to be problematic if those not-at-risk who are caring for them continue to participate in broader society without adequate social distancing and mask-wearing.
But I'm still hopeful, based on the reports of falling average ages of those infected, that relatively better risk-avoidance by older people compared to younger, despite all the variations in individual challenges to achieving risk reduction, could mean that that increased number of cases will be mitigated somewhat by better average prospects for a moderate case.6 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".
Yeah, that's what I've been assuming. Car travel between states is just so easy and common.1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".
I saw the City of Chicago has such a rule, not the rest of the state though, unless it just came out today (a search doesn't pull it up though). Was thinking of visiting our son in TX and just staying around his house. He and his girlfriend have been taking this pretty seriously.
You are correct, my mistake. Sometimes us Chicagoans forget that there is a "rest of the state" outside of the city.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Yup. And even if you have a spouse or adult children to shop for you, that just creates a transmission vector to bring the virus to you at home.
This idea that everyone at higher risk can stay home while the rest of the world goes about its business ignores both (1) that a sizeable percentage of the population, including the working population, has chronic conditions that put them at risk, and that (2) a sizeable percentage of the non-working at-risk population needs at least some assistance with basic daily activities, if not frequent health care.
The economy isn't going to roll on smoothly if the at-risk can't work because they would have to do so alongside people who think that they don't need to wear masks or avoid large gatherings. And providing care to those at-risk individuals who need it is going to continue to be problematic if those not-at-risk who are caring for them continue to participate in broader society without adequate social distancing and mask-wearing.
But I'm still hopeful, based on the reports of falling average ages of those infected, that relatively better risk-avoidance by older people compared to younger, despite all the variations in individual challenges to achieving risk reduction, could mean that that increased number of cases will be mitigated somewhat by better average prospects for a moderate case.
Agree 1,000%. I also noticed many new cases here in TN are younger people.3 -
I live in Dane County, WI, which will begin a mandatory mask order next Monday. I'm a little disappointed in the delay to get it started, and am just guessing it is to give people time to get masks. They are widely available in stores, it seems, but then I don't know what the demand will look like. We had made good progress during the shutdown, but like other places, reopening has been ridiculous. Dane had an order in place after the state Supreme Court struck down the state-wide order that was to go to May 26; bars reopened "immediately" on May 24 or there about. I didn't pay much attention to what the County order was b/c I wasn't going to pretend the risk was over, anyway, but I know bars here were open and students started coming back to Madison. So I'm glad to see this tightening up. Our increase is primarily among 20-29 year olds, although I suspect we will start to see more infections in other age groups b/c these young folks will have carried it around before they became symptomatic.
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My husband is 80 and diabetic. He won't stay home. At first he would wait in the car when I bought groceries, but that didn't last. Home is boring, especially when there's no hope of going anywhere interesting in the near future. The only reason he wears a mask is because I insist. They are mandated, but the governor's order isn't enforced at a lot of businesses. When the family invited us down to Maryland for a 4th of July barbecue, I said no because I know that several family members are not isolated and I think the risk is too high. But given the way the virus is spreading, I don't know how long we'll be safe, especially when DH doesn't believe it is that much of a risk to be out and about.21
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This is for @AnnPT77 - it's different masks with the mannequin coughing, shows effective fabric/fit, etc.
https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/laser-study-of-face-masks-shows-which-ones-work-best-as-states-counties-face-mandate-covid-19-coronavirus-aerosols-tennessee
there's a 4 minute video that's pretty instructive.2 -
Did T1D already post that? The video is from his area and I know he's all over the stories...0
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
How do you keep and track a "no shop list" for a Wal-Mart Supercenter, large grocery store, etc? Does the greeter ask everyone for an ID when they come to the entrance then check it to a database?
A no-shop list doesn't have to be based on discrimination. It could be based on qualification. You're disqualified at the door if you don't meet the requirements. No database needed for that. No mask - no entry.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »Did T1D already post that? The video is from his area and I know he's all over the stories...
I don't think so. If he did, I missed it. Thanks for it - helpful!0 -
Is anyone else afraid about the possibility of schools reopening??
All my kids are way over that age but my dh works at a private high school and they usually have about 150-200 dorm students each year, from everywhere. I know it's still about 6 weeks away from now but Honestly, I don't foresee a better environment anytime soon. I just think of all the little kids and worried parents who will have to deal with this.
I know the world is aching to get back to 'normal' but at the price of subjecting the children? 8 -
RE: Schools reopening:
In VA, we've been talking about reopening schools, but their requirements are, to be frank, ridiculous and impossible. They've set standards for 6 feet between children, or at least three feet with masks. Staggering seats on the bus and sitting 1 person to a seat.
Do they have any concept of what these requirements would look like, logistically? They'd have to have so many more school busses, to keep kids in school on time. Not to mention a ton of extra space in the schools themselves, with a nonexistent budget for any of it.
Either they're putting these requirements out with the knowledge that they're not going to be able to be enforced, to wash their hands of the fact that they won't be enforced, or they'll make the smart decision and not open schools, citing these requirements.
SMH.
ETA: I suppose they could stagger kids going to school, like a 1 or 2 day a week model, much reduced number of kids that way.5 -
I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...2 -
moonangel12 wrote: »I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...
We homeschool as well, so I have no dog in this fight, but all the staggered/alternating schedule proposals seem a Logistical nightmare for working parents, teachers themselves (esp those with school age children!), and parents with multiple children in multiple schools. Yet going back as normal doesn’t seem feasible or prudent.
I can’t see how many private schools will stay afloat either—I could not justify paying full tuition for virtual classes or half the in person classes, especially for elementary students.
I already know 5 families personally who have already decided they are homeschooling this year bc of all this, leaving both private and public schools, and at least one more waiting on the final call from school system about policies to decide. The local ps here has said that special needs students who receive services/therapies at school will be going back, at least part time.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »Did T1D already post that? The video is from his area and I know he's all over the stories...
No, I had not noticed this one.0 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
How do you keep and track a "no shop list" for a Wal-Mart Supercenter, large grocery store, etc? Does the greeter ask everyone for an ID when they come to the entrance then check it to a database?
A no-shop list doesn't have to be based on discrimination. It could be based on qualification. You're disqualified at the door if you don't meet the requirements. No database needed for that. No mask - no entry.
Yep, this one is pretty simple.
For the actual "no shop lists," I am not sure if any stores have facial recognition software in their security systems. But even when they don't, I know that security often reviews photos regularly enoigh that people are often noticed. Not sure how that works for Wal-Mart with multiple locations and huge amounts of people. Maybe they look at just photos from that store or region? I do know that I've heard of people getting arrested (for trespassing) when returning after being told they were banned.
It has been a few years, but similar thing with casinos. Back when I was in Iowa, I know of at least one casino that interfaced their systems with the county sheriff to identify based on membership cards. So even if they let yoi through at the door (you look old enough and they didn't scan your ID), if you sit down at a slot machine and put your card in, they know you are there. And if you have any warrants, it doesn't take long for the cops to show up. This is in addition to that even if you don't have warrants, anyone banned by the casino seems to be caught often. I had a friend whose wife got talked into putting herself on the banned list voluntarily at one casino (this is usually for people who are trying to overcome addiction). Without fail, she was noticed every single time she tried. After getting arrested 3 times, she gave up with that casino.6 -
I have 3 kids in elementary school and our school district (Kansas) is making a decision by the end of next week. My thoughts, if any district moves to virtual learning then the government needs to put another act in place to cover those parents to work from home or take off with some sort of pay. Right now, the FFCRA only covers up to 12 weeks off with 2/3 pay until the end of 2020. And not all employers are required to comply with the FFCRA.4
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Is anyone else afraid about the possibility of schools reopening??
All my kids are way over that age but my dh works at a private high school and they usually have about 150-200 dorm students each year, from everywhere. I know it's still about 6 weeks away from now but Honestly, I don't foresee a better environment anytime soon. I just think of all the little kids and worried parents who will have to deal with this. I know the world is aching to get back to 'normal' but at the price of subjecting the children?
I have to say that I am hoping and praying my kids go back to school in a few weeks. They attend a private high school, that while they did the absolute best they could in the circumstances, that did not provide the high level of education that I have come to expect. They are set up for some online learning but not a fully online program. I can understand that some teachers might be reluctant, but many kids need that inperson attention and they can't get that through a screen. I know my kids each struggled in a couple classes because they just weren't able to learn the subject online (math for one, latin for another). They aren't/can't repeat these years and they need this education to move forward. How will we ever catch up the kids that don't have involved parents or parents that don't have the time to help their kids? We are failing the kids if we insist on online only.
Plus what about the kids who rely on the school for breakfast/lunch? For catching cases of abuse or neglect? Or just the fact that they are kids and NEED that social interaction. I'm not sure what the answer really is, but I don't think it's keeping the kids at home for another semester or year.4
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