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Thoughts on the “glamourizing/normalizing” obesity vs body positivity conversations
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »siberiantarragon wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »There's a ton of information on weight loss out there and a lot of it is conflicting.
There's a ton of conflicting information on the effectiveness of masks and social distancing, too, yet that's not considered to be an excuse for not wearing a mask or social distancing. People are supposed to "listen to the experts." So there's no reason why people can't listen to the experts when it comes to weight loss, too. Especially as the government and public health experts have way more consistent messaging on how to lose weight than they do on how to slow the spread of COVID.I think someone can be overweight AND think it's an issue of importance and still not be sure how to proceed. Or maybe they know how to do it, but implementing consistently is an issue. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see this as an us/them issue and I don't think it's a consequence of fat being glamorized.
Daily here, we encounter people who know what to do and aren't quite sure how to do it (given the circumstances of their lives or particular emotional issues). There are also people who know what they want to do, but have inaccurate ideas of how it needs to be done that are either setting them back or causing them to spend energy on controlling irrelevant factors. We're in a society that makes it incredibly easy to consume more energy than our body needs. I can understand how some don't have grace to expend or don't want to expend grace, but I've been there and I think it's more complex than you're making it out to be.
If someone is on MyFitnessPal they're making an effort to lose weight and researching how to do it, so, they're not who I'm talking about. Those are people who are being proactive about their health and trying to be better. I'm talking about the people who aren't making any effort to lose weight, and/or even get offended at the thought that their obesity is a health problem, yet expect everyone else to sacrifice in order to protect their health.The corollation of obesity and a history of abuse, and of obesity with poverty, is stunning when you dig into it.
The pre-existing conditions I have were also caused by childhood abuse. Yet apparently I have no right to expect anyone to accommodate my health needs, and should just "get over" having these health problems at all.The number of people in the US who don't have access to a primary care doctor, internet access, or a decent k-12 education as a result of poverty (either urban or rural) is also stunning.
I listened to a podcast comparing access to broadband internet in the US to other industrialized nations and it blew my mind!
You're seriously suggesting that the majority of cases of obesity in America are among people who have no internet access or education? Because that's not what I see. Plenty of educated and middle-class or richer people are obese. Here are some statistics from the CDC on the matter.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db50.htm
"Among men, obesity prevalence is generally similar at all income levels, however, among non-Hispanic black and Mexican-American men those with higher income are more likely to be obese than those with low income.
Higher income women are less likely to be obese than low income women, but most obese women are not low income.
Between 1988–1994 and 2007–2008 the prevalence of obesity increased in adults at all income and education levels."
I don't feel like I'm sacrificing because of obese people. I actually don't even understand how one would think that. I'm sacrificing for everyone, and especially for the elderly.
Obesity may lead to more severe outcomes, but it isn't causing this pandemic. This virus is wreaking havoc worldwide, even in countries with lower obesity rates.
I don't believe anyone said obesity (or any other preventable lifestyle choice) is causing the pandemic. However, these choices make the outcomes worse.
I feel there should have been more publicity on this angle.
If you read my post, I actually said that obesity can lead to worse outcomes. But it isn't causing these lockdowns, which is the point I'm trying to make.4 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »
At first I was really against these, but then I read the article and I guess they are saying their mentalities are healthy because they are focused on how well their bodies can function and perform, not how they look. I am all for that, but I think if you focus on being the healthiest you are and love yourself you would lose weight to be the best you can be and healthiest you can be. Staying obese is harming yourself.
I am just glad they didn't outright say "I am perfectly healthy and don't want to lose any weight" like Tess Holiday does.
Sorry totally disagree. Most people are not going to read the article. They are going to see the cover of a national magazine with pictures of obese, if not morbidly obese, individuals on the cover with the headline, "this is healthy".
This is what people are seeing in the checkout line, this is not healthy. These covers are poster children for normalizing obesity IMO.14 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »
At first I was really against these, but then I read the article and I guess they are saying their mentalities are healthy because they are focused on how well their bodies can function and perform, not how they look. I am all for that, but I think if you focus on being the healthiest you are and love yourself you would lose weight to be the best you can be and healthiest you can be. Staying obese is harming yourself.
I am just glad they didn't outright say "I am perfectly healthy and don't want to lose any weight" like Tess Holiday does.
Sorry totally disagree. Most people are not going to read the article. They are going to see the cover of a national magazine with pictures of obese, if not morbidly obese, individuals on the cover with the headline, "this is healthy".
This is what people are seeing in the checkout line, this is not healthy. These covers are poster children for normalizing obesity IMO.
I completely agree. That was my first thought when seeing the covers and photos. It just annoys me when people say "oh it's just how I am, I am built this way" not that they are eating too many calories.10 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Sorry totally disagree. Most people are not going to read the article. They are going to see the cover of a national magazine with pictures of obese, if not morbidly obese, individuals on the cover with the headline, "this is healthy".
This is what people are seeing in the checkout line, this is not healthy. These covers are poster children for normalizing obesity IMO.
And even if their mentality is focusing on their body's function and performance, their current state is still not "healthy." Maybe it's on a journey to being healthy, if they're going to continue to lose weight. But if someone is obese, their body's function and performance is going to be sub-optimal, compared to what it would be if they were a healthy weight.
I agree that pop culture focuses too much on the aesthetic aspects of obesity when what they should really be focusing on is the health aspects. But I also think people use that as a deflection sometimes, like a lot of the "fat positivity" stuff is focused on "I think I'm beautiful the way I am and other people think I'm attractive!" That's a deflection from the real issue, which is that they are putting their health at risk.
I think with Tess Holliday for example, part of the reason why she has convinced herself that she is healthy, is because she gets a positive reception for her appearance, even though perceived attractiveness does not necessarily equal health.
I also think a lot of the "health at every size" people just don't even realize what they could be athletically capable of if they were not obese. The high obesity rate contributes to this, because the average person is so sedentary, that if you're obese and go to the gym, you're still technically exercising more than a significant portion of your peers, which could lead one to believe that they're "healthier than average."11 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »
At first I was really against these, but then I read the article and I guess they are saying their mentalities are healthy because they are focused on how well their bodies can function and perform, not how they look. I am all for that, but I think if you focus on being the healthiest you are and love yourself you would lose weight to be the best you can be and healthiest you can be. Staying obese is harming yourself.
I am just glad they didn't outright say "I am perfectly healthy and don't want to lose any weight" like Tess Holiday does.
Looking forward to the "This is tall" edition of GQ with Peter Dinklage on the cover!15 -
gracegettingittogether wrote: »
I think the response to that would be, is it realistic to expect people to lose their livelihoods, homes, sanity and families to lower risk, without pointing out that there are also other targeted ways to lower risk as well? That’s what bothers me about all this. There’s not an equal standard being applied. Apparently people are “irresponsible” for doing things to alleviate their suffering caused by the loss of the things mentioned above, but people aren’t being called “irresponsible” for not personally doing what they can to lower their risk of getting ill and using scarce medical resources. That is to say, one set of risk lowering actions are deemed so important as to cause great wide spread and long lasting effects and the other set all but ignored. Standards have to be applied fairly, otherwise they aren’t standards but just bias, which is not scientific.
I say this as an obese woman, with vulnerable pneumonia scarred lungs. If I have a bad response to Covid, should I get it, I know that in some degree, I could have taken actions to lessen the severity. In fact, my brother in law physician who treats Covid patients every day, did tell me at the outset of all this, that being so overweight did put me at higher risk, while my older and in shape parents risk was much lower, based on how patients were responding in the hospital.
I absolutely think that people should evaluate their situation and take steps to reduce their risk. I also think we should extend some understanding to people who may be struggling to do this due to financial or emotional or logistical factors that are also being exacerbated by the current situation. I'm just saying I don't see it as a situation where the obese are doing this TO us. We're all caught in this bad situation in various ways and I believe that many are just doing the best they can.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »siberiantarragon wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not seeing anything where overweight or obese people are telling those with mental illnesses that they need to "get over it" so they can be safer. I think you're heavily personalizing public health messages. Which I get, this whole thing has been frustrating in many different ways, but I don't think seeing this as an obese people versus mental illness thing is warranted. To begin with, there is overlap between these two categories!
In discussions I've had, I've seen a lot of overlap between the people who tell anyone who is negatively affected by the lockdowns to "get over it," and the people who get offended when you suggest that people should take more personal responsibility for their own health before asking others to sacrifice for them. I'm not implying that anyone who holds these beliefs is obese, or anyone who doesn't hold these beliefs is not obese. (Ironically, I have several friends who are overweight/obese and agree with me about the obesity/COVID/personal responsibility thing.)I get that you don't understand how anyone can be overweight. It's a common thing, but I promise you that logistical and mental obstacles to weight loss exist, including a lack of information about how CICO works or not understanding how to effectively implement it into one's life.
I never said that I don't understand how anyone can be overweight. I just gave an entire paragraph of reasons why I think people stay overweight. I just said that I don't think lack of access to information is the reason. 20 or 30 years ago, sure, it was a lot harder to find information back then, maybe that would have been a factor. But today, the information is out there, free and available. If someone doesn't look it up, it's because they don't want to know.
And again, regardless of what the reason is why people keep gaining weight, is it not the government's job to fix this public health crisis? Why are governments and our society in general enabling the obesity crisis instead of trying to fix it? If the answer actually is just lack of knowledge, that would be a pretty easy fix, wouldn't it? Why aren't there huge billboards with this information everywhere, the same way there are billboards everywhere about wearing a mask or social distancing?
There's a ton of information on weight loss out there and a lot of it is conflicting.
Information on weight loss is not conflicting. Virtually anything you see on weight lose involves consuming fewer calories than one burns.
Obviously different ways to go about it but that is the message.
Then it's hard to understand why we've got so many people here who think you need to exercise for hours a week to lose weight or that they must limit carbohydrates or that you have to eat breakfast or that you have to IF to get your blood sugar down or etc etc etc.
Our culture is full of garbage information about detoxing and fad diets, which is part of the reason why people struggle with weight management.14 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »siberiantarragon wrote: »I'm usually a "live and let live" kind of person. But what's really annoyed me this year is that obesity now negatively affects everyone, even if they are not obese. By which I mean, COVID-19 is a disease which disproportionately harms obese people. Most of the people who are hospitalized or die from it are obese, especially the non-elderly people. Countries with very low obesity rates, such as Japan and South Korea, have much lower death and hospitalization rates than other economically-similar countries, despite a high proportion of elderly people. (And this doesn't get discussed in the US -- people just say Japan and South Korea "handled the pandemic better"...as if the fact they have a 4% obesity rate and we have a 42% obesity rate plays no role.)
All year we've been in lockdowns and told that we're killing people if we go outside. Some people have lost everything to lockdowns -- their jobs, businesses, homes, mental health, physical health, education, etc. I have a health condition that is made worse by the lockdowns, and nobody cared about that. Yet I don't see many people who are obese and worried about COVID-19 doing anything to lose weight. In fact, studies indicate that most people gained weight during the lockdowns. We're all expected to blow up our lives indefinitely to reduce other peoples' risk, yet they won't even do the slightest thing to reduce their own risk. That is so selfish and unfair and yet nobody calls it out.
I think the media and government play a role in this because they haven't been really talking much about the role obesity plays in COVID-19. The UK is the only country I saw that really discussed it in any official capacity, but even then they kind of forgot about it. Meanwhile I've seen countless articles where the media talks about a "perfectly healthy young person" who died of COVID-19 and then when you see the picture, the person is 300 or 400 pounds. That just shows how sick our culture is, that being morbidly obese is now considered "perfectly healthy," because people are too afraid of offending someone to tell the truth. And that attitude is contributing to peoples' deaths, from COVID-19 and from the many other complications of obesity. Sometimes I wonder where we would be if the public health messaging this year had focused more on weight loss, instead of officials doing things like banning outdoor exercise and closing parks.
So yeah, I'm way more judgmental about "fat positivity" culture now than I used to be, because it's a big reason why we're in this mess now.
I agree. I work in the ER in Los Angeles and see Covid patients every day. We are NOT seeing young healthy in shape people die. Most of the younger people with complications are either very obese or diabetic and uncontrolled. Some people told me they have no medical problems but then their blood sugar is 500. They did not know they were diabetic apparently or someone told them they were years ago and they ignored it.
Obesity is a huge problem when it comes to Covid. We need to focus on this instead of ignoring it.
I think the difference is that I'm not thinking that these people are selfish and subjecting ME to something, I'm thinking it's unfortunate that they're at higher risk.
Those with preventable comorbidities are subjecting you to something.
If someone that was an obese smoker quit smoking and started losing weight at the start of this and got Covid now their chances of needing ER or even hospital care would be decreased freeing up medical resources which are in short supply in many parts of the US.
I'm a strong believer in taking care of yourself to fight off illness. A few years back I was hospitalized for a week with 4 IV's in my arms due to a Sepsis infection. I was fortunate enough that I was at a normal weight, long time exerciser and did not smoke. One of my nurses was a casual acquaintance from the gym. He told me after I recovered most people that had Sepsis as bad as I did when I arrived at the hospital at best had strokes, heart attacks, kidney failure or at worst left the hospital in a body bag as a result.
Self care is important and impacts society.
Nobody has comorbidities for fun or because they're out to get me. That's my point. They're putting themselves at risk, I refuse to take it as a personal attack.11 -
Yeah, I see a serious "I'm the victim, they are evil and doing this to me" thing in this thread that is not based in any reasonable understanding of truth.
Are those real Cosmo covers? I do think it's good to convince overweight people that they can do things to improve their health even if they have given up on losing weight (many people have lost and regained and think losing and maintaining is impossible but would likely lose if they focused on things besides weight). I don't think it's sensible to pretend like weight is not a risk factor.10 -
Well, I for one, never said that the obese are doing anything TO others, or that the obese have caused the lockdowns. Anyone thinking that I did, should reread what I wrote.
If you go back and read what I said, you will see that I clearly stated that I myself am obese.
What I find ridiculous and abhorrent is the stance that one set of preventative measures such as mask wearing and social distancing, is morally virtuous and socially imperative, while other sets of preventive measures are barely mentioned. It’s not good science, and has became extremely political. If we are truly concerned about saving lives, we need to be honest and upfront about what we can each do to mitigate our personal risk of Covid and avoid straining medical resources.
Even if it means being politically incorrect and pointing out unpleasant truths. Otherwise we place an undue burden and strain on those suffering because of the other preventative measures. Imagine if the hospitals were not overwhelmed, if many more people didn’t need to go to the hospital because their symptoms were much less severe. We wouldn’t need to have such strict lockdowns or if we did, it would be for a much shorter time. Now, I wouldn’t say that we obese have caused the long severe lockdowns, but it would be bad science to deny that the obesity rate has clearly worsened the strain on medical resources.
I haven’t seen this widely acknowledged however, or seen any public measures designed to help mitigate this significant factor. Instead, the preventative measures have clearly made it much harder to lose weight. I’m confident that if the obesity factor had been widely acknowledged, we could have had innovative measures to help encourage and initiate weight loss. We still can, if public officials really would care about saving lives and not just votes.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Then it's hard to understand why we've got so many people here who think you need to exercise for hours a week to lose weight or that they must limit carbohydrates or that you have to eat breakfast or that you have to IF to get your blood sugar down or etc etc etc.
Our culture is full of garbage information about detoxing and fad diets, which is part of the reason why people struggle with weight management.
Our culture is also full of misinformation about COVID, but that doesn't stop people from vilifying others for "not following the science" when it comes to that. Pretty much any public health agency on Earth will give you identical information on how to lose weight.janejellyroll wrote: »Nobody has comorbidities for fun or because they're out to get me. That's my point. They're putting themselves at risk, I refuse to take it as a personal attack.
People who want to socialize, go back to work, get an education, etc. aren't "out to get" other people either, but they've been treated that way because they're blamed for worsening the pandemic. Obesity is also worsening the pandemic. It increases the risk of the healthcare system collapsing and care being denied to people who don't have fixable co-morbidities. The entire reason why we have to have lockdowns is to prevent the healthcare system from collapsing.Yeah, I see a serious "I'm the victim, they are evil and doing this to me" thing in this thread that is not based in any reasonable understanding of truth.
All year we've been hearing nothing but "the evil people who want to go out and socialize and reopen things are doing this to me" even though socialization is vitally necessary for human health. I don't see how this is any different.
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gracegettingittogether wrote: »Well, I for one, never said that the obese are doing anything TO others, or that the obese have caused the lockdowns. Anyone thinking that I did, should reread what I wrote.
I was not suggesting that you did.
Do you think me shaking my finger at you and saying you need to lose weight would be helpful? Or that it's somehow your fault we had lockdowns (which is obviously untrue anyway)? I'm mostly interested in doing what would be helpful, and don't think blaming obese people is likely to be. (It was not helpful to my own ability to lose weight.)
Yet someone else in this thread seems to think otherwise.
I am generally interested in how to deal with the problem of the obesity rate, so if you have ideas there, I'd love to hear them.6 -
gracegettingittogether wrote: »What I find ridiculous and abhorrent is the stance that one set of preventative measures such as mask wearing and social distancing, is morally virtuous and socially imperative, while other sets of preventive measures are barely mentioned. It’s not good science, and has became extremely political. If we are truly concerned about saving lives, we need to be honest and upfront about what we can each do to mitigate our personal risk of Covid and avoid straining medical resources.
I should add that I just think this is inaccurate. I have a friend with whom I talk about weight loss things who is obese, and he has been saying from the beginning that he needs to lose weight to control his risk. The discussions I've heard otherwise, both locally and on MFP have indicated that people are aware that obesity is a risk factor. I'm not overweight, but I've gained some during this and have joked about how it should be the opposite.
I really don't think anyone doesn't know obesity is a risk -- why people don't then lose is a harder question related probably to why people get overweight despite it being a known health risk and also not positively viewed by society, or at least that has been my personal experience/understanding.
The idea that if we just blamed fat people more they'd be thinner seems unlikely to me, and unrelated to what helped me lose weight, but perhaps your personal experience is different?3 -
I was not suggesting that you did.
Do you think me shaking my finger at you and saying you need to lose weight would be helpful? Or that it's somehow your fault we had lockdowns (which is obviously untrue anyway)? I'm mostly interested in doing what would be helpful, and don't think blaming obese people is likely to be. (It was not helpful to my own ability to lose weight.)
This year, we've really opened the door to "shaming as a public health solution," despite generally agreeing in previous years that it wasn't effective. "Stay the f home," "grandma killer," "don't be a knucklehead," "covidiot," "we could have been opened up by now if it wasn't for those idiots who didn't follow the rules," etc. Even public health experts have gotten in on the "fun" and some of these shaming slogans (like "don't be a knucklehead") were actually made up by governments, presumably under the guidance of public health experts. So apparently the experts have decided that shaking their finger at people and telling them they need to do X, and blaming them for societal-wide problems, must be an effective way to get people to change their lifestyle, or else they wouldn't keep doing it. Who am I to go against the experts?
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I’m not accusing anyone in particular; I just saw some misunderstanding of what I was trying to say.
I do think it would be helpful to say “Lose weight, wear masks to lower the spread and severity of Covid.”
I do see people becoming extremely focused on wearing masks, gloves and social distancing and putting all their efforts to avoiding the virus completely. It increases anxiety, OCD and depression greatly because they are cowering from something they are terrified they are going to get anyway.
It would be much better for people to stop only focusing on not getting it and instead also focus on actions that have clearly and scientifically shown to decrease the severity.
Obviously, there are other factors like age, and decreased immune function that can’t be mitigated.
But we can really improve our chances for survival if we lose weight. We don’t have to be out of our minds with fear and worry that there’s nothing we can really do to prevent ourselves from dying from Covid.
MyFitnessPal could be nationally promoted by officials, or other free apps like this one. We could open more gyms in empty stores so people can exercise and still socially distance. We could really promote people using hiking trails in parks. A lot of them are only wide enough for one person so it’s easy to social distance. We could have schools have more gym time in middle schools and high schools. Business could incentivize employees using MyFitnessPal and activity trackers. I know some already do, my husband’s new job is what restarted me here. We could have businesses give people exercise balls to bounce on while working from home. We could have cooking lessons required in every middle school and high school. We could have officials saying “Don’t despair, lose weight.”
I’m not very creative even. I’m sure there’s many people out there with much better ideas.2 -
gracegettingittogether wrote: »I’m not accusing anyone in particular; I just saw some misunderstanding of what I was trying to say.
I do think it would be helpful to say “Lose weight, wear masks to lower the spread and severity of Covid.”
I do see people becoming extremely focused on wearing masks, gloves and social distancing and putting all their efforts to avoiding the virus completely. It increases anxiety, OCD and depression greatly because they are cowering from something they are terrified they are going to get anyway.
It would be much better for people to stop only focusing on not getting it and instead also focus on actions that have clearly and scientifically shown to decrease the severity.
Obviously, there are other factors like age, and decreased immune function that can’t be mitigated.
But we can really improve our chances for survival if we lose weight. We don’t have to be out of our minds with fear and worry that there’s nothing we can really do to prevent ourselves from dying from Covid.
I just want to say, I have loved all your posts on this topic!
The more I think about it, the more I realize how great of an opportunity was squandered here. We have been trying to reduce obesity rates for years with no success. Well, if there was ever a time to convince people that they needed to lose weight for their health, this past year would have been it. People were wondering "what can I do to reduce my chances of dying in the pandemic?" and being literally told by the people in charge of protecting public health, "LOL just sit at home on the couch, order takeout, and watch Netflix, oh and by the way we closed all the parks." If that doesn't say it all about how normalized obesity and unhealthy lifestyles are in our culture, I don't know what does.
People in this thread are saying that people are confused about how to lose weight. Well, there's never been a time in modern history where people were more receptive and attentive to public health announcements than they were in this past year. I don't think there's ever been a time before this year where there were daily televised press conferences on public health, for example. That information of how to lose weight could have been put out there. The city I used to live in mailed out masks to every resident. What if they had also mailed out a guide on healthy diet and exercise to everyone?
During the pandemic, a lot of people have felt hopeless, and completely at the mercy of other people -- the people making the rules and the people who choose to follow them with varying degrees of scrupulosity. Empowering people to take charge of their health would have increased morale and reduced at least some of the despair and exhaustion people are feeling, which could have prevented at least some "deaths of despair." Maybe it also would have promoted a more positive culture, instead of the really negative judgmental/hateful culture that's come out of this past year.MyFitnessPal could be nationally promoted by officials, or other free apps like this one. We could open more gyms in empty stores so people can exercise and still socially distance. We could really promote people using hiking trails in parks. A lot of them are only wide enough for one person so it’s easy to social distance. We could have schools have more gym time in middle schools and high schools. Business could incentivize employees using MyFitnessPal and activity trackers. I know some already do, my husband’s new job is what restarted me here. We could have businesses give people exercise balls to bounce on while working from home. We could have cooking lessons required in every middle school and high school. We could have officials saying “Don’t despair, lose weight.”
I’m not very creative even. I’m sure there’s many people out there with much better ideas.
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Without replying to anyone in particular here:
Formal marketing campaigns necessarily differ when a product/service/issue is new, vs. when it's been around for a while. The differences are pretty major, in terms of best channels to communicate, most effective messages to choose, how important market segmentation is, etc.
Getting people to understand the general public health issues around the pandemic (the masks, distancing, etc.) has been in the "new" category, in marketing terms. Probably now shifting into a more intermediate stage, but still relatively early in a standard marketing cycle model.
In contrast, obesity is a problem of at least multiple decades' duration, a whole different spot in the marketing cycle. Many campaigns have been tried, and most have had limited effect on obesity itself. (For example, demonizing sweets seems to have dropped sugar consumption somewhat (though perhaps not as much as USDA data suggest), but obesity kept increasing.) At most, in marketing terms, obesity is a market segmentation/messaging issue when it comes to Covid (one way to reduce risk of severe disease or death), or a relatively new selling point for the value of losing weight (not very dissimilar messaging-wise in some ways from potential selling points like reduced risk of heart disease, which is a top killer in the US).
In terms of how best to "market" for these issues, they're not very comparable. The best spend of effort/money is different.
As an aside, I do think that anyone who mysteriously doesn't know that obesity is a huge risk factor for worse Covid effects has had their head in the sand. (And why would people with heads in their sand somehow have better, clearer, more accurate, more scientific information in their heads about how to lose weight, than they do about the quite-well-communicated impact of obesity, diabetes, etc., on severity of Covid cases?)
Generalizations only go so far before they start to mislead, IMO - on any subject, not just this one.6 -
Are those real Cosmo covers?
Apparently they are, might be the UK editions though:
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/a34915032/women-bodies-wellness-healthy-different-shape-size/0 -
gracegettingittogether wrote: »I do see people becoming extremely focused on wearing masks, gloves and social distancing and putting all their efforts to avoiding the virus completely. It increases anxiety, OCD and depression greatly because they are cowering from something they are terrified they are going to get anyway.
I think this is an odd reading of the current dynamics, especially if you are (as I am thinking you are) in a social circle where masks are generally frowned upon.
I am in one of the more mask friendly areas compared to what others have reported on MFP, and yet people aren't generally even wearing gloves, lots of people don't wear masks much of the time (I wear masks when around others or indoors in public spaces, but don't when walking/running in a situation when I can social distance), and few would say they are doing that due to fear of getting the virus. Most of us wear masks to help control the spread.
I do think the shutdown situation is bad for mental health, but I don't think it's actually caused by official action -- people in general aren't willing to go out and interact normally. Very few people in my social group are overweight (many are older than me), and yet they are not currently going to be socializing as pre covid. It's not because of fat people, and it's not even because of official action -- it's because it's what they consider responsible.It would be much better for people to stop only focusing on not getting it and instead also focus on actions that have clearly and scientifically shown to decrease the severity.
Yes, as pre covid, it would be better for obese people to lose weight. My point is this idea that they don't know that is not based in fact, and shaming them -- in fact, blaming them for everything that is awful about covid, as another poster has been doing -- is not only based in falsehood (fat people are not why others lost their jobs) -- but not actually going to lead to positive action.But we can really improve our chances for survival if we lose weight. We don’t have to be out of our minds with fear and worry that there’s nothing we can really do to prevent ourselves from dying from Covid.
Again, I think you are projecting or something as most of us aren't all that fearful, we just think the effects of covid are bad and would like to help it end ASAP. But you said you are overweight, so why haven't you done this? And if the answer is that you have (and didn't realize any health reasons pre covid) but it takes a while, why not give others the same benefit of the doubt? Like I said, I sure knew there were health reasons not to be overweight before I lost weight -- I was fat, not uninformed -- but it still took some time before I was in a mental space where I was able to lose. I feel like being understanding of others in that place, and not blaming them for all the evils of the world, is a better approach, personally.
And yes, I think public encouragement of weight loss is a good thing, and I don't actually think it doesn't exist. What specifically encouraged you to lose was my question, however -- no public campaign did it for me.6
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