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cwolfman13 wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »Has anyone got their second shot (Pfizer) and NOT had a bad reaction? I am getting mine on Saturday and everyone keeps telling me I am going to be sick from it.
Also wondering if anyone has got their second shot at an extended interval yet - my first shot was three months ago. I think I am in the first cohort here to get the second shot on the extended time frame so not sure how that might influence the side effect situation.
I heard some common reports of adverse reactions the day after the second shot and had planned to take it easy myself the day after my second shot. I got my shot at 7:30 in the morning, did a 90 minute bike ride afterwards, and some automotive work the rest of the day. The next day... nothing. No fever at all. My arm was barely even sore at the injection site. I ended up doing my normally planned long run (15 miles) for the day.
My partner had a nasty headache the evening of her shot, and felt ill the next morning, but was feeling well enough to go out on her bike that afternoon.
Got it 3 hours ago - so far so good. Didn't plan a whole lot for this weekend just in case.
I think that you hear mostly the bad reactions but people don't tend to talk much about mild or non existent reactions. After posting here I see there is a range with the second shot and it isn't necessarily all bad - which was the impression I had before.
I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
In many cases, I think symptomatic reactions are self induced...they believe it will happen, so it does...basically, power of suggestion. Early on in the vaccine process, we had an issue at one of our mass vaccination centers where several people started having issues during their 15 minute watch period and the site was temporarily shut down...it turns out they were just having anxiety and panic attacks.
I wouldn't say "rare"...about half the people I know had a noticeable reaction to at least one of the doses. My 102 degree fever was definitely not self-induced.
I agree that some people may be LOOKING for a reaction and question..."Hmm...do I have a headache, am I a bit tired today?..." If you have to wonder then you're probably fine.
But the people I know who had a reaction (including myself and my husband) did not have ambiguous symptoms. The vaccine did what it's supposed to do and generated an immune response. That's not made up or in our heads.
Even among the people I know who had the most severe reaction, absolutely none of them regretted being vaccinated. They encourage others to do it, and enthusiastically say it was worth it.10 -
I had Moderna #2 shot 46 hours ago and think most of my side effects to this side may be behind me which was mainly feeling tired.
After first shot the side effects may have been more Covid-19 like but had passed after 22 hours leaving me stronger than any time in 2021.
Ever if my sinus infection the first week of Jan 2021 masked Covid-19 at the time as my wife expected at the time I am glad I now have completed my 2 shot Covid-19 vaccination process and have physical proof because how much better I felt and still feel 24 hours after the 1st shot.
Last Wednesday Cancer was ruled out as a cause of my blood issues for the past 5 months.
Post vaccination side effects range from zero to death we read so I think comparing ours with others is without medical value.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
I'm going to jump in here and ask what your definition of adverse reactions are?
Generally mild and common reactions are soreness and redness at the injection site, mild symptoms including fever, tiredness and even muscle aches. I know lots of people who experience these
Adverse reactions are anaphylaxis, encephalitis, cardiac arrest. These are extremely rare.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
I'm guessing that if we were able to see how many skipped a concert, wedding reception, ballgame or other "fun" event it would be a lot less than 1/3 skipping.9 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »Has anyone got their second shot (Pfizer) and NOT had a bad reaction? I am getting mine on Saturday and everyone keeps telling me I am going to be sick from it.
Also wondering if anyone has got their second shot at an extended interval yet - my first shot was three months ago. I think I am in the first cohort here to get the second shot on the extended time frame so not sure how that might influence the side effect situation.
I heard some common reports of adverse reactions the day after the second shot and had planned to take it easy myself the day after my second shot. I got my shot at 7:30 in the morning, did a 90 minute bike ride afterwards, and some automotive work the rest of the day. The next day... nothing. No fever at all. My arm was barely even sore at the injection site. I ended up doing my normally planned long run (15 miles) for the day.
My partner had a nasty headache the evening of her shot, and felt ill the next morning, but was feeling well enough to go out on her bike that afternoon.
Got it 3 hours ago - so far so good. Didn't plan a whole lot for this weekend just in case.
I think that you hear mostly the bad reactions but people don't tend to talk much about mild or non existent reactions. After posting here I see there is a range with the second shot and it isn't necessarily all bad - which was the impression I had before.
I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
In many cases, I think symptomatic reactions are self induced...they believe it will happen, so it does...basically, power of suggestion. Early on in the vaccine process, we had an issue at one of our mass vaccination centers where several people started having issues during their 15 minute watch period and the site was temporarily shut down...it turns out they were just having anxiety and panic attacks.
I wouldn't say "rare"...about half the people I know had a noticeable reaction to at least one of the doses. My 102 degree fever was definitely not self-induced.
I agree that some people may be LOOKING for a reaction and question..."Hmm...do I have a headache, am I a bit tired today?..." If you have to wonder then you're probably fine.
But the people I know who had a reaction (including myself and my husband) did not have ambiguous symptoms. The vaccine did what it's supposed to do and generated an immune response. That's not made up or in our heads.
Even among the people I know who had the most severe reaction, absolutely none of them regretted being vaccinated. They encourage others to do it, and enthusiastically say it was worth it.
The Pfizer vaccine trials indicated fatigue, headache, chills, and muscle and joint pain at a significantly higher rate in the vaccinated group over the placebo group, especially after the second dose, and at a higher rate in younger persons (16-55) than in older. While I am sure there is large part of the vaccinated that will suffer (real) symptoms due to the stress, anxiety, and expectation of symptoms, the studies support a fairly high incidence of reactions to the vaccine in line with your experience and @hipari is seeing (1/3 to 1/2). On the balance, however, it's still a HUGE net positive to receive the vaccine over not, even for those that are lower risk.6 -
ExistingFish wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »High on my "What am I looking forward to doing after I get vaccinated" list was Get a Massage.
I was supposed to get a massage tonight and was REALLY looking forward to it. I called yesterday to find out their mask policy and the receptionist called back today to say masks are required because the provider is not vaccinated for "personal reasons." I pressed and asked if it was due to a temporary thing like pregnancy or breast feeding, and she wouldn't say. So I cancelled.
I don't want to be in an intimate situation like that with someone who sees a lot of people and will not get vaxxed for unspecified "personal reasons."
This was going to be free through the VA's Community Care program so I left a message for the CC coordinator complaining bitterly about this provider's unvaccinated status.
I will call around to the other providers near me and ask about vaccination status and mask policies.
ETA: Called the only other three other places on the VA community care list:
1. Not vaccinated due to medical reasons. I appreciated the lengthy explanation she gave me. Her doctor had actually flagged her driver's license - she tried to get vaxxed and was denied due to the flag and her doctor notified. Thought that was interested.
2. Me: "I was thinking of getting a massage and was wondering if you are vaccinated." Her: "Well that's a HIPPA thing but [blah blah blah precautions.]" So that's a No.
3. Left a message but then looked at his website and saw "We will be remaining closed until I have a better understanding of the long-term and potential positive or negative effects the deep tissue work I do will provide to clients post covid positive or vaccine. STAY SAFE we will get through this. April 2021."
I called the Community Care Coordinator back and asked her to help me find a provider who is vaccinated.
I don't understand this - you are fully vaccinated, do you not trust the vaccine?janejellyroll wrote: »In addition to the points made above, I wouldn't want to receive any health care services from someone who was vaccine eligible but refused to get it.ExistingFish wrote: »Ah, the moral superiority position.
I respect people's freedom to make their own medical decisions. I don't think my decisions are morally superior to other people's positions. I believe everyone should have the right to make their own informed decisions for themselves and their families.Of course they have the right. And I have the right to receive certain services from a professional whose judgement I trust. Capitalism at work
Thanks everyone for answering for me! Y'all did a great job at capturing my reasoning
I want to highlight the above answers from Jane and Kim, plus reiterate that no vaccine is 100% effective.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
I'm going to jump in here and ask what your definition of adverse reactions are?
Generally mild and common reactions are soreness and redness at the injection site, mild symptoms including fever, tiredness and even muscle aches. I know lots of people who experience these
Adverse reactions are anaphylaxis, encephalitis, cardiac arrest. These are extremely rare.
You and I seem to have a very different definition of ”adverse”. Mine is more in line with Merriam-Webster dictionary, thinking that adverse is opposed to one’s interests or causing harm. I’d say headaches, fevers and chills are opposed to most people’s interests and potentially causing harm if they prevent people from fulfilling whatever plans they had for that time.
I would of course list the reactions you mentioned as adverse, but definitely on the more serious side and, thankfully, quite rare.Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
I'm guessing that if we were able to see how many skipped a concert, wedding reception, ballgame or other "fun" event it would be a lot less than 1/3 skipping.
All events, fun or otherwise, have been cancelled for over a year now. Of course I can never know for sure what my colleagues do during weekends, but they’re generally a very work-motivated bunch and I’ve heard multiple recommendations of scheduling the vax appointment for a Friday so a possible reaction doesn’t interfere with work plans.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »Has anyone got their second shot (Pfizer) and NOT had a bad reaction? I am getting mine on Saturday and everyone keeps telling me I am going to be sick from it.
Also wondering if anyone has got their second shot at an extended interval yet - my first shot was three months ago. I think I am in the first cohort here to get the second shot on the extended time frame so not sure how that might influence the side effect situation.
I heard some common reports of adverse reactions the day after the second shot and had planned to take it easy myself the day after my second shot. I got my shot at 7:30 in the morning, did a 90 minute bike ride afterwards, and some automotive work the rest of the day. The next day... nothing. No fever at all. My arm was barely even sore at the injection site. I ended up doing my normally planned long run (15 miles) for the day.
My partner had a nasty headache the evening of her shot, and felt ill the next morning, but was feeling well enough to go out on her bike that afternoon.
Got it 3 hours ago - so far so good. Didn't plan a whole lot for this weekend just in case.
I think that you hear mostly the bad reactions but people don't tend to talk much about mild or non existent reactions. After posting here I see there is a range with the second shot and it isn't necessarily all bad - which was the impression I had before.
I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
In many cases, I think symptomatic reactions are self induced...they believe it will happen, so it does...basically, power of suggestion. Early on in the vaccine process, we had an issue at one of our mass vaccination centers where several people started having issues during their 15 minute watch period and the site was temporarily shut down...it turns out they were just having anxiety and panic attacks.
Totally agree. Just a sore arm as can happen with any vax. Yes I had a panic attack too lol. It was nothing.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
I'm going to jump in here and ask what your definition of adverse reactions are?
Generally mild and common reactions are soreness and redness at the injection site, mild symptoms including fever, tiredness and even muscle aches. I know lots of people who experience these
Adverse reactions are anaphylaxis, encephalitis, cardiac arrest. These are extremely rare.
You and I seem to have a very different definition of ”adverse”. Mine is more in line with Merriam-Webster dictionary, thinking that adverse is opposed to one’s interests or causing harm. I’d say headaches, fevers and chills are opposed to most people’s interests and potentially causing harm if they prevent people from fulfilling whatever plans they had for that time.
I would of course list the reactions you mentioned as adverse, but definitely on the more serious side and, thankfully, quite rare.Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
I'm guessing that if we were able to see how many skipped a concert, wedding reception, ballgame or other "fun" event it would be a lot less than 1/3 skipping.
All events, fun or otherwise, have been cancelled for over a year now. Of course I can never know for sure what my colleagues do during weekends, but they’re generally a very work-motivated bunch and I’ve heard multiple recommendations of scheduling the vax appointment for a Friday so a possible reaction doesn’t interfere with work plans.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »I had Moderna #2 shot 46 hours ago and think most of my side effects to this side may be behind me which was mainly feeling tired.
After first shot the side effects may have been more Covid-19 like but had passed after 22 hours leaving me stronger than any time in 2021.
Ever if my sinus infection the first week of Jan 2021 masked Covid-19 at the time as my wife expected at the time I am glad I now have completed my 2 shot Covid-19 vaccination process and have physical proof because how much better I felt and still feel 24 hours after the 1st shot.
Last Wednesday Cancer was ruled out as a cause of my blood issues for the past 5 months.
Post vaccination side effects range from zero to death we read so I think comparing ours with others is without medical value.
I'm glad they ruled out cancer, but did they get closer to figuring out what is causing your problem?2 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I had Moderna #2 shot 46 hours ago and think most of my side effects to this side may be behind me which was mainly feeling tired.
After first shot the side effects may have been more Covid-19 like but had passed after 22 hours leaving me stronger than any time in 2021.
Ever if my sinus infection the first week of Jan 2021 masked Covid-19 at the time as my wife expected at the time I am glad I now have completed my 2 shot Covid-19 vaccination process and have physical proof because how much better I felt and still feel 24 hours after the 1st shot.
Last Wednesday Cancer was ruled out as a cause of my blood issues for the past 5 months.
Post vaccination side effects range from zero to death we read so I think comparing ours with others is without medical value.
I'm glad they ruled out cancer, but did they get closer to figuring out what is causing your problem?
No. The doctor said he expects the cause most likely will never be known. After the day they pulled 16 vials of blood for testing and got the dye contrast CT scans approval by insurance carrier and all was negative that was as far as the Carrier wanted to go. I never did have a sense that cancer was involved but they wanted to check it out so we did.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
I'm going to jump in here and ask what your definition of adverse reactions are?
Generally mild and common reactions are soreness and redness at the injection site, mild symptoms including fever, tiredness and even muscle aches. I know lots of people who experience these
Adverse reactions are anaphylaxis, encephalitis, cardiac arrest. These are extremely rare.
You and I seem to have a very different definition of ”adverse”. Mine is more in line with Merriam-Webster dictionary, thinking that adverse is opposed to one’s interests or causing harm. I’d say headaches, fevers and chills are opposed to most people’s interests and potentially causing harm if they prevent people from fulfilling whatever plans they had for that time.
I would of course list the reactions you mentioned as adverse, but definitely on the more serious side and, thankfully, quite rare.Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
I'm guessing that if we were able to see how many skipped a concert, wedding reception, ballgame or other "fun" event it would be a lot less than 1/3 skipping.
All events, fun or otherwise, have been cancelled for over a year now. Of course I can never know for sure what my colleagues do during weekends, but they’re generally a very work-motivated bunch and I’ve heard multiple recommendations of scheduling the vax appointment for a Friday so a possible reaction doesn’t interfere with work plans.
Or scheduling a vax appointment on Friday to start the weekend early.2 -
The day after my AZ vaccine I did feel fatigue -felt to me like when I used to work night shift and then tried to stay awake next day
Now I could of been imagining that or had it coincidentally from some other cause - but seems to me unlikely since nothing else was different (it wasnt an excuse to call in sick either- I went to work and pushed through.)
I work in a clinic and we have now given around 1000 vaccines - nobody has had serious side effects - however some have had minor side effects, more than just sore arm - fatigue, muscle aches, fever, nausea
Some have had nothing.
Not enough for any concern or reason not to have vaccine - but I also dont think we should dismiss such symptoms as all being imaginary either.7 -
I hope the Delta variant does not make it to anywhere else. With science talk suggesting it is 40-60% more transmissible, effecting youngsters much more than previous ones, it still seems to be slowed by the vaccine so vaccinated persons don't become as ill as they would otherwise. Its the unvaccinated people who are still becoming more ill, needing hospital care. I understand the hesitance, I have not had a flu vaccine since the mid '80's, I had probably what I could call Long flu. When it came to this though. The probability of death, age and health predicted, I made the choice I did before when I said life with t4 only treatment for hashi was no life at all. I'd like to think when the time comes I'll be sitting on a star looking down on everyone in my life but please, please not yet there is too much for me to learn and know let alone do.
When my daughter had her vaccine, I was very concerned for her, the type she was to have had carried the minute possibility of developing clots. The US don't use it. I told myself, back the few months ago, the medics were, had learned so much more, they knew what to do were this sad reaction to happen, how to treat the clots particularly if the person were sensitive to their changes in how they feel and raised the alarm in good time. We like millions more were fine, my daughter is well. I feel for those who are so very precious about their least discomfort, a pin prick and achy arm, you get that with all childhood vaccines, avoiding vaccination against the probability of not running the risk of discovering, when its too late that their encounter with covid has been more than life itself.3 -
Lots of discussion here lately of vaccine reactions. In my immediate family, reactions have been mild to “I’m sick” level and relatively short lived.
As for friends, just in the past week, I have had one friend taken to er by ambulance for what appeared to be seizures. He has never seized before of since and is now legally banned from driving for 6 months. He received the Moderna and did have COVID at Xmas. He has had a neurologist tell him he had an “antibody overload” reaction which purportedly happen at night like his was.
Two days later, talking to another friend, the night after the short she was taken to the er by her husband. I did not get the specifics as my husband who made the call.
I previously mentioned the Italian relative who died. Got more specifics and doctor has stated no connection, but turned out the Pfizer shot was three days before and not day of like we were told by mil and he died of a heart attack during that night according to doctor.
What was frustrating to that first friend is every doctor refused to consider any connection to receiving the vaccine that day. He was told that that was not a documented reaction. the doctors refused to test his antibody levels though they apparently ran every other conceivable test. As for not a “documented” option, how can that even be investigated if never reported. I am wondering if it was not added into the Vaers database for evaluation.
Typing on phone so apologies for poor phrasing and such.6 -
When talking about possible vaccine reactions, I think it's important to remember two things, each kind of supporting opposite sides.
First, not every doctor is an expert, or even understands, virology and vaccine science. And since covid-19 is new, even doctors who have some knowledge of viruses can be no better educated about it than an average layman. So it's quite possible that a primary care or ER doctor might give a patient bad info about covid or not react to a possible vaccine reaction correctly. It will take years for every doctor who might possibly see a patient about covid or one of the many covid vaccines to become experts themselves. I would suggest if anyone has something serious happen to them after vaccination and a doctor blows them off, contact your local public health dept and ask them how to report the possible reaction.
But second, weird symptoms happen to otherwise healthy people all the time. People run a fever, have a seizure, have a stroke, get nauseous, all the time, unexpectedly and without a known cause. Some days I am extremely fatigued, some days my stomach acts up, some days my head hurts, and I'll never know why. With tens of millions of people getting a vaccine in a short period of time, it stands to reason that many people will experience symptoms or even major health issues in the hours and days afterward that have literally nothing to do with the vaccine. They would've happened anyway. Those conditions need to be reported, so that if there are patterns they will be seen and investigated, and compared to typical frequency of that kind of symptom in the population without a vaccine. But the fact that lots of people have something happen after they're vaccinated doesn't mean all of those something's is a reaction to the vaccine.
I'm not at all diminishing people's suffering or suggesting nothing should be blamed on the vaccines. There is no doubt there will be rare but serious reactions to the vaccines, there always are to pretty much any medical intervention, and understanding those cases is important. But we talk a lot on the MFP forum about the difference between correlation and causation, and it applies here as well.
I was listening to a talk awhile ago about how to combat disinformation in public health, and the speaker told a story about his wife who is a pediatrician. A mother brought in her little one for some standard vaccinations, but while still in the waiting room, the child had a seizure and sadly passed away. And his wife realized if she had made an appt an hour earlier, that mom would've been 100% convinced the shot caused the seizure. Even the pediatrician would've wondered if somehow she caused whatever happened.
@SModa61 I'm sorry so many people you know are suffering right now, that is scary! I've known a couple of people who've had one seizure, got through their "probation", and gone for years now symptom free, so I hope your friend experiences the same. I'm not sure how public health systems are set up in other countries, but if he has access to some kind of public health office or disease control dept they should be eager to make sure his experience is included in the data. Keeping the amount of data that slips thru the cracks to a minimum is crucial, but unfortunately a lot of it has in many countries so far!10 -
@kimny72 What is odd is that I have not known anyone with significant COVID or vaccine issues until just these last two weeks. And I fully understand that each may be a coincidence. In the cases of the two very recent stories, one is Florida and the seizure one was Massachusetts treatment but they live and were vaccinated in Connecticut. I suggested they look into Vaers, but I could tell they were not interested in taking that step despite their beliefs and feelings.
Was talking to my daughter a couple hours ago, and she pointed out to me that none of us know if doctors are reporting to Vaers while downplaying to the patient until more is known. Which I would fully understand.
Edit: Just read the first part of your post @Kimny72 and last week I was reading an article stating pretty much exactly what you said. You covered the topic thoroughly!4 -
paperpudding wrote: »The day after my AZ vaccine I did feel fatigue -felt to me like when I used to work night shift and then tried to stay awake next day
Now I could of been imagining that or had it coincidentally from some other cause - but seems to me unlikely since nothing else was different (it wasnt an excuse to call in sick either- I went to work and pushed through.)
I work in a clinic and we have now given around 1000 vaccines - nobody has had serious side effects - however some have had minor side effects, more than just sore arm - fatigue, muscle aches, fever, nausea
Some have had nothing.
Not enough for any concern or reason not to have vaccine - but I also dont think we should dismiss such symptoms as all being imaginary either.
We had our second Pfizer dose yesterday - I feel perfectly fine, my husband has some fever, chills and muscle/joint pain - flu like symptoms.
What is interesting is that my husband came down with a bad bout of vertigo last week. I have had vertigo but he has never had it before. I said to him this morning that it was a good thing that he got it last week because if it had happened after the vaccine we would have probably suspected that as the cause. With thousands of people getting vaccinated every day there are bound to be coincidental health problems that occur.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »Has anyone got their second shot (Pfizer) and NOT had a bad reaction? I am getting mine on Saturday and everyone keeps telling me I am going to be sick from it.
Also wondering if anyone has got their second shot at an extended interval yet - my first shot was three months ago. I think I am in the first cohort here to get the second shot on the extended time frame so not sure how that might influence the side effect situation.
I heard some common reports of adverse reactions the day after the second shot and had planned to take it easy myself the day after my second shot. I got my shot at 7:30 in the morning, did a 90 minute bike ride afterwards, and some automotive work the rest of the day. The next day... nothing. No fever at all. My arm was barely even sore at the injection site. I ended up doing my normally planned long run (15 miles) for the day.
My partner had a nasty headache the evening of her shot, and felt ill the next morning, but was feeling well enough to go out on her bike that afternoon.
Got it 3 hours ago - so far so good. Didn't plan a whole lot for this weekend just in case.
I think that you hear mostly the bad reactions but people don't tend to talk much about mild or non existent reactions. After posting here I see there is a range with the second shot and it isn't necessarily all bad - which was the impression I had before.
I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
In many cases, I think symptomatic reactions are self induced...they believe it will happen, so it does...basically, power of suggestion. Early on in the vaccine process, we had an issue at one of our mass vaccination centers where several people started having issues during their 15 minute watch period and the site was temporarily shut down...it turns out they were just having anxiety and panic attacks.
Yeah my BIL works in public health and he said once the 12-17 year olds started getting vaccinated it slowed everything down in the clinics because they get a lot more fainters in that age group.
Husband and I both did have mild reactions to the first shot - fatigue and headache for a day and a half. He seems to have had a bit of a worse reaction to our second one yesterday, fever and chills and body pain. I seem to be fine, no reaction of note at all this time.4
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