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lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »It's actually easy here in Tx to get a booster. I was just talking to one of my friends yesterday morning about it (she is immuno compromised) and got her 2nd shot in Feb I think. She was able to walk right in to the pharmacy and get her booster yesterday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if she has any reaction to the 3rd. So far all reports I have heard are just arm soreness and nothing like the 2nd shot. She got Moderna I think. (and looks like that poster was quite successful in getting the other thread shut down).
On another note maybe MORE people will be encouraged to and will be able to get the antibodies now that our Governor has made them more in the news again.
I don't think that was a "booster". I think she got a regular shot which are widely available to walk into any pharmacy and get. So she got herself a third shot, but not necessarily a "booster". Per the CDC, boosters won't be available until the fall after full FDA approval (which happened yesterday August 23). From what I've read, these won't be just walk in and get...you will get a notification that you are eligible as per the date of your 2nd shot. It will go in the same order that the original shots were prioritized.
This is per the CDC on 8/20/21...so not really sure what your friend got here...maybe it was a booster and they were just starting before the official announcement of FDA approval or something. I won't be eligible to get mine until Dec as my 2nd shot was April 2 per the CDC.
Not speaking for SummerSkier or her friend here, but immunocompromised people are eligible for actual "booster" vaccinations now, officially, and at a shorter time horizon than planned for regular people later. (It's 28 days after the 2nd shot, for this group, and applies to Pfizer and Moderna.)
It appears that the rules and conditions for getting this vary locally/regionally, possibly especially now, as I think this was a quite-sudden announcement, not one that was preannounced as is happening for the regular booster situation. I think the bureaucracies are playing catch-up on this rule, maybe.
Details:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html
Details about what is meant by "immunocompromised", in this context, are at that link.
Ah, that makes sense.
All I've heard from our state DOH is that we will be notified when we are eligible for our booster and that we will not be given it if we just go to the pharmacy without proof of eligibility, though you can still just walk in and get your initial doses. I just hope that doesn't confuse people here who are unvaxed and now think they have to wait again for eligibility.
It will be easy to walk in and get it when eligible, but you can't just walk in now and get it unless you're in the group that is currently being prioritized. The post made me think that in Tx for some reason, any old someone could just walk in and get their booster regardless of where they are in line.
But there's no paperwork (other than an ID) required to get your first dose, and nobody is getting an indelible stamp when they get their initial doses, so all anybody who wants a booster has to do is go into a pharmacy and lie if asked about whether they've had a vaccination yet, right?
I know the info about vaccinations in our state and at least some others is supposed to be uploaded to a central database, but I don't think they check it for each person coming in before administering the vaccine, do they? I was vaccinated in a sort of pop-up clinic at a church, so I don't know what it's like for covid vaccines administered in an actual pharmacy. Nobody was putting data into a computer in real time until the end of the line (after vaccination) when they were helping people who needed help sign up for the second dose. Maybe it's different at a pharmacy. I haven't been able to get confirmation of my vaccination from the state database, just from the database run by the pharmacy that staffed the clinic. So maybe people who are trying to jump queue could just go to a different pharmacy chain or other provider from where they got the original doses.
We are required to show the text or email or by mail paper work from our state DOH indicating we are eligible for a booster to the pharmacy. It is also recommended to bring your vaccination card, though the text or email from the DOH is sufficient documentation that you are eligible. Our DOH is rolling this out much in the same way they did the initial doses and they want to make sure things stay orderly and there isn't a run on vaccine.
With the initial vaccine rollout, they did the same thing...you couldn't get a shot until you received a text from the DOH that you were eligible and your shot was available and ready...it was this way until eligibility was everyone. This completely avoided the "southwest airlines" cattle call to get vaccinated...you simply waited to be notified and went to the testing facility they told you to go to at that date and time.
Our DOH handled the rollout of the initial vaccinations. Mass vax centers were all run by our DOH and data was input real time and I can look it up online as well as get a replacement card if I need one. I just had my annual physical this morning and one of the first things my Dr. said was, "ahhh...good...you had your COVID vaccine." So it's definitely uploaded and has been disseminated to Dr.s and such because I didn't say a word about it and was never asked.
Yes, as indicated up thread, things are different from state to state.
Yes, I was just responding to your questions like...But there's no paperwork (other than an ID) required to get your first dose, and nobody is getting an indelible stamp when they get their initial doses, so all anybody who wants a booster has to do is go into a pharmacy and lie if asked about whether they've had a vaccination yet, right?
andI know the info about vaccinations in our state and at least some others is supposed to be uploaded to a central database, but I don't think they check it for each person coming in before administering the vaccine, do they?
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kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »It's actually easy here in Tx to get a booster. I was just talking to one of my friends yesterday morning about it (she is immuno compromised) and got her 2nd shot in Feb I think. She was able to walk right in to the pharmacy and get her booster yesterday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if she has any reaction to the 3rd. So far all reports I have heard are just arm soreness and nothing like the 2nd shot. She got Moderna I think. (and looks like that poster was quite successful in getting the other thread shut down).
On another note maybe MORE people will be encouraged to and will be able to get the antibodies now that our Governor has made them more in the news again.
I don't think that was a "booster". I think she got a regular shot which are widely available to walk into any pharmacy and get. So she got herself a third shot, but not necessarily a "booster". Per the CDC, boosters won't be available until the fall after full FDA approval (which happened yesterday August 23). From what I've read, these won't be just walk in and get...you will get a notification that you are eligible as per the date of your 2nd shot. It will go in the same order that the original shots were prioritized.
This is per the CDC on 8/20/21...so not really sure what your friend got here...maybe it was a booster and they were just starting before the official announcement of FDA approval or something. I won't be eligible to get mine until Dec as my 2nd shot was April 2 per the CDC.
Not speaking for SummerSkier or her friend here, but immunocompromised people are eligible for actual "booster" vaccinations now, officially, and at a shorter time horizon than planned for regular people later. (It's 28 days after the 2nd shot, for this group, and applies to Pfizer and Moderna.)
It appears that the rules and conditions for getting this vary locally/regionally, possibly especially now, as I think this was a quite-sudden announcement, not one that was preannounced as is happening for the regular booster situation. I think the bureaucracies are playing catch-up on this rule, maybe.
Details:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html
Details about what is meant by "immunocompromised", in this context, are at that link.
Ah, that makes sense.
All I've heard from our state DOH is that we will be notified when we are eligible for our booster and that we will not be given it if we just go to the pharmacy without proof of eligibility, though you can still just walk in and get your initial doses. I just hope that doesn't confuse people here who are unvaxed and now think they have to wait again for eligibility.
It will be easy to walk in and get it when eligible, but you can't just walk in now and get it unless you're in the group that is currently being prioritized. The post made me think that in Tx for some reason, any old someone could just walk in and get their booster regardless of where they are in line.
But there's no paperwork (other than an ID) required to get your first dose, and nobody is getting an indelible stamp when they get their initial doses, so all anybody who wants a booster has to do is go into a pharmacy and lie if asked about whether they've had a vaccination yet, right?
I know the info about vaccinations in our state and at least some others is supposed to be uploaded to a central database, but I don't think they check it for each person coming in before administering the vaccine, do they? I was vaccinated in a sort of pop-up clinic at a church, so I don't know what it's like for covid vaccines administered in an actual pharmacy. Nobody was putting data into a computer in real time until the end of the line (after vaccination) when they were helping people who needed help sign up for the second dose. Maybe it's different at a pharmacy. I haven't been able to get confirmation of my vaccination from the state database, just from the database run by the pharmacy that staffed the clinic. So maybe people who are trying to jump queue could just go to a different pharmacy chain or other provider from where they got the original doses.
In theory, and I've thought about that, that you could just go to a pharmacy and pretend to be getting a first shot. But IME (I also did not get the first one in a pharmacy, but I have gotten the flu shot there), they ask for insurance information (you could lie and say you don't have any, but I could see them checking that) and the state supposedly has a database that I could see a pharmacy checking. So it seems risky or at least with a high embarrassment potential and if they find out you have insurance and it's not a legit covid shot but an unauthorized booster, maybe a bill. Dunno.
I got my shots through some appointments that were given to our alderman in the ward to schedule. All the aldermen seemed to be using different criteria (ours prioritized teachers but after that anyone eligible). My sister and a friend drove to another part of the state where they had excess, since the overall vax rate was lower.3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »It's actually easy here in Tx to get a booster. I was just talking to one of my friends yesterday morning about it (she is immuno compromised) and got her 2nd shot in Feb I think. She was able to walk right in to the pharmacy and get her booster yesterday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if she has any reaction to the 3rd. So far all reports I have heard are just arm soreness and nothing like the 2nd shot. She got Moderna I think. (and looks like that poster was quite successful in getting the other thread shut down).
On another note maybe MORE people will be encouraged to and will be able to get the antibodies now that our Governor has made them more in the news again.
I don't think that was a "booster". I think she got a regular shot which are widely available to walk into any pharmacy and get. So she got herself a third shot, but not necessarily a "booster". Per the CDC, boosters won't be available until the fall after full FDA approval (which happened yesterday August 23). From what I've read, these won't be just walk in and get...you will get a notification that you are eligible as per the date of your 2nd shot. It will go in the same order that the original shots were prioritized.
This is per the CDC on 8/20/21...so not really sure what your friend got here...maybe it was a booster and they were just starting before the official announcement of FDA approval or something. I won't be eligible to get mine until Dec as my 2nd shot was April 2 per the CDC.
Not speaking for SummerSkier or her friend here, but immunocompromised people are eligible for actual "booster" vaccinations now, officially, and at a shorter time horizon than planned for regular people later. (It's 28 days after the 2nd shot, for this group, and applies to Pfizer and Moderna.)
It appears that the rules and conditions for getting this vary locally/regionally, possibly especially now, as I think this was a quite-sudden announcement, not one that was preannounced as is happening for the regular booster situation. I think the bureaucracies are playing catch-up on this rule, maybe.
Details:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html
Details about what is meant by "immunocompromised", in this context, are at that link.
Ah, that makes sense.
All I've heard from our state DOH is that we will be notified when we are eligible for our booster and that we will not be given it if we just go to the pharmacy without proof of eligibility, though you can still just walk in and get your initial doses. I just hope that doesn't confuse people here who are unvaxed and now think they have to wait again for eligibility.
It will be easy to walk in and get it when eligible, but you can't just walk in now and get it unless you're in the group that is currently being prioritized. The post made me think that in Tx for some reason, any old someone could just walk in and get their booster regardless of where they are in line.
But there's no paperwork (other than an ID) required to get your first dose, and nobody is getting an indelible stamp when they get their initial doses, so all anybody who wants a booster has to do is go into a pharmacy and lie if asked about whether they've had a vaccination yet, right?
I know the info about vaccinations in our state and at least some others is supposed to be uploaded to a central database, but I don't think they check it for each person coming in before administering the vaccine, do they? I was vaccinated in a sort of pop-up clinic at a church, so I don't know what it's like for covid vaccines administered in an actual pharmacy. Nobody was putting data into a computer in real time until the end of the line (after vaccination) when they were helping people who needed help sign up for the second dose. Maybe it's different at a pharmacy. I haven't been able to get confirmation of my vaccination from the state database, just from the database run by the pharmacy that staffed the clinic. So maybe people who are trying to jump queue could just go to a different pharmacy chain or other provider from where they got the original doses.
We are required to show the text or email or by mail paper work from our state DOH indicating we are eligible for a booster to the pharmacy. It is also recommended to bring your vaccination card, though the text or email from the DOH is sufficient documentation that you are eligible. Our DOH is rolling this out much in the same way they did the initial doses and they want to make sure things stay orderly and there isn't a run on vaccine.
With the initial vaccine rollout, they did the same thing...you couldn't get a shot until you received a text from the DOH that you were eligible and your shot was available and ready...it was this way until eligibility was everyone. This completely avoided the "southwest airlines" cattle call to get vaccinated...you simply waited to be notified and went to the testing facility they told you to go to at that date and time.
Our DOH handled the rollout of the initial vaccinations. Mass vax centers were all run by our DOH and data was input real time and I can look it up online as well as get a replacement card if I need one. I just had my annual physical this morning and one of the first things my Dr. said was, "ahhh...good...you had your COVID vaccine." So it's definitely uploaded and has been disseminated to Dr.s and such because I didn't say a word about it and was never asked.
Yes, as indicated up thread, things are different from state to state.
Yes, I was just responding to your questions like...But there's no paperwork (other than an ID) required to get your first dose, and nobody is getting an indelible stamp when they get their initial doses, so all anybody who wants a booster has to do is go into a pharmacy and lie if asked about whether they've had a vaccination yet, right?
andI know the info about vaccinations in our state and at least some others is supposed to be uploaded to a central database, but I don't think they check it for each person coming in before administering the vaccine, do they?
Thanks. Sounds like your state is well prepared to prevent people from jumping queue on booster shots.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »It's actually easy here in Tx to get a booster. I was just talking to one of my friends yesterday morning about it (she is immuno compromised) and got her 2nd shot in Feb I think. She was able to walk right in to the pharmacy and get her booster yesterday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if she has any reaction to the 3rd. So far all reports I have heard are just arm soreness and nothing like the 2nd shot. She got Moderna I think. (and looks like that poster was quite successful in getting the other thread shut down).
On another note maybe MORE people will be encouraged to and will be able to get the antibodies now that our Governor has made them more in the news again.
I don't think that was a "booster". I think she got a regular shot which are widely available to walk into any pharmacy and get. So she got herself a third shot, but not necessarily a "booster". Per the CDC, boosters won't be available until the fall after full FDA approval (which happened yesterday August 23). From what I've read, these won't be just walk in and get...you will get a notification that you are eligible as per the date of your 2nd shot. It will go in the same order that the original shots were prioritized.
This is per the CDC on 8/20/21...so not really sure what your friend got here...maybe it was a booster and they were just starting before the official announcement of FDA approval or something. I won't be eligible to get mine until Dec as my 2nd shot was April 2 per the CDC.
Not speaking for SummerSkier or her friend here, but immunocompromised people are eligible for actual "booster" vaccinations now, officially, and at a shorter time horizon than planned for regular people later. (It's 28 days after the 2nd shot, for this group, and applies to Pfizer and Moderna.)
It appears that the rules and conditions for getting this vary locally/regionally, possibly especially now, as I think this was a quite-sudden announcement, not one that was preannounced as is happening for the regular booster situation. I think the bureaucracies are playing catch-up on this rule, maybe.
Details:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html
Details about what is meant by "immunocompromised", in this context, are at that link.
Ah, that makes sense.
All I've heard from our state DOH is that we will be notified when we are eligible for our booster and that we will not be given it if we just go to the pharmacy without proof of eligibility, though you can still just walk in and get your initial doses. I just hope that doesn't confuse people here who are unvaxed and now think they have to wait again for eligibility.
It will be easy to walk in and get it when eligible, but you can't just walk in now and get it unless you're in the group that is currently being prioritized. The post made me think that in Tx for some reason, any old someone could just walk in and get their booster regardless of where they are in line.
But there's no paperwork (other than an ID) required to get your first dose, and nobody is getting an indelible stamp when they get their initial doses, so all anybody who wants a booster has to do is go into a pharmacy and lie if asked about whether they've had a vaccination yet, right?
I know the info about vaccinations in our state and at least some others is supposed to be uploaded to a central database, but I don't think they check it for each person coming in before administering the vaccine, do they? I was vaccinated in a sort of pop-up clinic at a church, so I don't know what it's like for covid vaccines administered in an actual pharmacy. Nobody was putting data into a computer in real time until the end of the line (after vaccination) when they were helping people who needed help sign up for the second dose. Maybe it's different at a pharmacy. I haven't been able to get confirmation of my vaccination from the state database, just from the database run by the pharmacy that staffed the clinic. So maybe people who are trying to jump queue could just go to a different pharmacy chain or other provider from where they got the original doses.
In theory, and I've thought about that, that you could just go to a pharmacy and pretend to be getting a first shot. But IME (I also did not get the first one in a pharmacy, but I have gotten the flu shot there), they ask for insurance information (you could lie and say you don't have any, but I could see them checking that) and the state supposedly has a database that I could see a pharmacy checking. So it seems risky or at least with a high embarrassment potential and if they find out you have insurance and it's not a legit covid shot but an unauthorized booster, maybe a bill. Dunno.
I got my shots through some appointments that were given to our alderman in the ward to schedule. All the aldermen seemed to be using different criteria (ours prioritized teachers but after that anyone eligible). My sister and a friend drove to another part of the state where they had excess, since the overall vax rate was lower.
Good point on the insurance angle.
By the time I got mine, I think we had moved to everyone eligible, although I don't think we had gotten there when I made the appointment.
I'm not a big fan of queue-jumping and don't have any plans to try to do it myself, but I have a hard time getting massively upset at someone who does it, given that we have vaccines expiring in the U.S., and no apparent plans to do the thing which would be at once most humane and most productive, which is to ship extra vaccine to countries that have never had enough vaccine to get a significant percentage of the population vaccinated.
If we're just going to let vaccine expire because vax resisters won't take it, it's better that it go in somebody's arm, even if it's only providing an incremental boost in protection to someone who's already better protected than billions of people around the world.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.6 -
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/delta-air-lines-unvaccinated-employees-will-face-200-fees-if-they-dont-get-covid-vaccine.html
Sounds like the freedom to not vac can cost some $2400 annually.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I'm not a big fan of queue-jumping and don't have any plans to try to do it myself, but I have a hard time getting massively upset at someone who does it, given that we have vaccines expiring in the U.S., and no apparent plans to do the thing which would be at once most humane and most productive, which is to ship extra vaccine to countries that have never had enough vaccine to get a significant percentage of the population vaccinated.
If we're just going to let vaccine expire because vax resisters won't take it, it's better that it go in somebody's arm, even if it's only providing an incremental boost in protection to someone who's already better protected than billions of people around the world.
Yeah, 100% agree. Don't know current figures on wasted vaccine, but here are some ones from earlier in the month. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/01/us/covid-us-vaccine-wasted.html1 -
https://news.yahoo.com/u-data-show-rising-breakthrough-181525317.html
Being vaccinated still gives us an edge to decrease the health care burden.
Locally death is increasing interest in getting vaccinated and of course some are glad to point out the vaccine protection is fading fast.2 -
And so it begins. Two weeks into school and my youngest came down ill on Monday and the school nurse called us to pick him up. She and we initially thought he was suffering from heat exhaustion or something as he had been at recess playing and we're having a late summer heat wave right now...to boot, they are working on the HVAC system and the classroom units have been in and out.
He came in from recess where it was around 97* into a classroom that was around 90* with no AC and started feeling ill. Not unusual for him as he is pretty heat sensitive. Tuesday he seemed a little better but still had a headache and we kept him home...by that evening he had developed congestion, runny nose, and dry cough. We scheduled him for a COVID test on Wednesday and we're waiting on results. By Wednesday evening he had developed a fever of 100.5 and was pretty out of it. Doing a bit better this morning, as fever has broken, but he's very lethargic.
Picked up my eldest from school yesterday (Wednesday) and he too had developed a scratchy throat and a bit of a cough but is otherwise seemingly fine. Out of precaution we called him out of school today and Friday and scheduled him for a COVID test this morning.
Hopefully it's all good and it's just some random bug, but my youngest has been pretty much down for a week now which is highly unusual even when he gets something pretty nasty. He seems to get over most things in a couple of days, even if he looks like he's on death's doorstep the first day.
Wife and I are so far so good...both vaccinated and feeling fine.32 -
"And so it begins," indeed. That is pretty discouraging. Pls check back and let us know how they are doing!
fwiw, our kids have each had to isolate at our house multiple times. In almost each case it was because of a known exposure or (in the early days) recent travel waiting for test results. One time one was sick, but neither had covid at our house. Isolating is a huge bummer. Our girls had school and work online so they had stuff to do (and they are older than your kids), but still it's pretty confining when all your meals are in the same room. They spent lots of time outdoors alone which helped. With the one who had a cold, we had dinner with her outside every night even though it was pretty hot here, and it was nice. They were never isolating at the same time, and they share a bathroom, so we would have to rearrange things if one was sick and needed a bathroom to herself. We put a small table outside their doors and left a huge cooler of water so they could refill their water bottles as needed. And we exchanged food/dishes there to minimize contact. We did keep them out of the kitchen.
Hope they test negative and feel better soon.9 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.
I'm in Canada, as is the person you were responding too, so I was referring to the situation here. Our housing market didn't crash the same way as the US one did in 2007, due to various factors (that I won't get into due to already being wayyyy off topic for the thread.)
I do know some young people and new immigrants who have stretched themselves to buy this past year. And I will feel bad for them if they lose their homes/equity in a price drop situation. But not sure that the other scenario of the average home in my area maintaining a value of over 1M is any better. Someone is going to lose either way and it is tragic really.3 -
Looks like antibody testing is getting more available as well, at little to no cost similar to the regular covid tests.2
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://news.yahoo.com/u-data-show-rising-breakthrough-181525317.html
Being vaccinated still gives us an edge to decrease the health care burden.
Locally death is increasing interest in getting vaccinated and of course some are glad to point out the vaccine protection is fading fast.
But that's not actually demonstrably true, as I understand it, except among immunocompromised people (who don't mount as strong an immune response to vaccines) and *possibly* among elders, especially more-frail elders, for what are believed to be similar reasons.
People who are thinking that way (your last paragraph) bought into the incorrect but common misunderstanding that vaccines are a 100% effective invisible shield against infection. They're a dramatically good (but not quite 100%) protection against *severe* infection (needing hospitalization, intubation; dying), and continue to be so for most people. But they are, and have been expected to be, a lower level of protection against milder infection.
Breakthrough infections are happening now, yes. That was expected, to some extent, by experts. It may be more likely/common with the delta variant, since it's more transmissible. (That's still not clear, IMU, because in the US at least there aren't good statistics about breakthrough infections, partly because there hasn't been priority on collecting them, partly because it's very hard to do so anyway: Vaccinated people with mild or asymptomatic cases don't realize they have a breakthrough case of Covid; some people who think they do have a breakthrough case choose not to be tested or have difficulty access a test (there was an example of this here, earlier, maybe in this thread).)
The "vaccines are 100% protection" myth was discussed at length relatively recently here, though I don't remember whether it was in this thread or one of the other Covid ones going on in debate, where someone said they thought a an injection wasn't actually even a vaccine if not 100% protective (forever, maybe, even), and that friends they had talked to had thought the same thing.9 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.
I'm in Canada, as is the person you were responding too, so I was referring to the situation here. Our housing market didn't crash the same way as the US one did in 2007, due to various factors (that I won't get into due to already being wayyyy off topic for the thread.)
I do know some young people and new immigrants who have stretched themselves to buy this past year. And I will feel bad for them if they lose their homes/equity in a price drop situation. But not sure that the other scenario of the average home in my area maintaining a value of over 1M is any better. Someone is going to lose either way and it is tragic really.
I know this is off topic but it is really boggling my mind what people are disagreeing with here - can someone enlighten me. The pandemic has caused a surge in home prices here, and if they drop people who bought at the peak will lose, and if they don't drop they are unaffordable to first time buyers. So it seems like a conundrum to me where some group of people will lose. The only people who won't lose are older people like me who bought years ago and are now sitting on million dollar homes. Can someone who disagreed explain to me why it isn't lose/lose, and/or how everyone can win in this situation? I just can't wrap my mind around how it can possibly be a good thing.
(ETA It doesn't affect me - I am in my 50's and own three properties already - but I am literally hoping that my homes become worth less, and my equity decreases, if it would mean more people can afford to buy their own homes. I don't want to live in a society where the only way to own a home is the passing down of generational wealth.)11 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »It's actually easy here in Tx to get a booster. I was just talking to one of my friends yesterday morning about it (she is immuno compromised) and got her 2nd shot in Feb I think. She was able to walk right in to the pharmacy and get her booster yesterday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if she has any reaction to the 3rd. So far all reports I have heard are just arm soreness and nothing like the 2nd shot. She got Moderna I think. (and looks like that poster was quite successful in getting the other thread shut down).
On another note maybe MORE people will be encouraged to and will be able to get the antibodies now that our Governor has made them more in the news again.
I don't think that was a "booster". I think she got a regular shot which are widely available to walk into any pharmacy and get. So she got herself a third shot, but not necessarily a "booster". Per the CDC, boosters won't be available until the fall after full FDA approval (which happened yesterday August 23). From what I've read, these won't be just walk in and get...you will get a notification that you are eligible as per the date of your 2nd shot. It will go in the same order that the original shots were prioritized.
This is per the CDC on 8/20/21...so not really sure what your friend got here...maybe it was a booster and they were just starting before the official announcement of FDA approval or something. I won't be eligible to get mine until Dec as my 2nd shot was April 2 per the CDC.
I'm not sure how those notifications will work since that data isn't always in a single place (aside from the paper vaccine card).
I got my 1st dose of Moderna in TN, then moved to TX and got my 2nd dose at a pharmacy here. In May, the county where I lived in TN called me wanting to know if I was going to schedule my 2nd shot. There is no single national / international database with all of those records for each individual.
ETA: The original shots were also not prioritized in a uniform fashion. This was also a state decision. This is part of the reason I was able to get it in TN in March. I knew I would be moving soon and TX considered Type 1 Diabetics in the "healthy" group while TN put us in the "comorbidity" group. I agreed with TN and made sure to get my first when able. I got it the same week they opened it up to residents with 1 comorbidity. I was able to schedule a 2nd dose in TX only because I had already received my 1st dose.
In my state, those records are held by our state DOH and we will be notified by our DOH when we are eligible and that record will have to be provided to the pharmacy. This is to avoid a run on vaccine and vaccine shortfalls. Our state is simply following the 8 month CDC guidance for when to send notifications. This keeps everyone in the same order as the first go around.
That's great for people who got both doses in the same state and there are consistent records. For those of us who got our 2 doses in 2 different states, the systems you described functions to prevent me from ever receiving a booster.4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »It's actually easy here in Tx to get a booster. I was just talking to one of my friends yesterday morning about it (she is immuno compromised) and got her 2nd shot in Feb I think. She was able to walk right in to the pharmacy and get her booster yesterday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if she has any reaction to the 3rd. So far all reports I have heard are just arm soreness and nothing like the 2nd shot. She got Moderna I think. (and looks like that poster was quite successful in getting the other thread shut down).
On another note maybe MORE people will be encouraged to and will be able to get the antibodies now that our Governor has made them more in the news again.
I don't think that was a "booster". I think she got a regular shot which are widely available to walk into any pharmacy and get. So she got herself a third shot, but not necessarily a "booster". Per the CDC, boosters won't be available until the fall after full FDA approval (which happened yesterday August 23). From what I've read, these won't be just walk in and get...you will get a notification that you are eligible as per the date of your 2nd shot. It will go in the same order that the original shots were prioritized.
This is per the CDC on 8/20/21...so not really sure what your friend got here...maybe it was a booster and they were just starting before the official announcement of FDA approval or something. I won't be eligible to get mine until Dec as my 2nd shot was April 2 per the CDC.
I'm not sure how those notifications will work since that data isn't always in a single place (aside from the paper vaccine card).
I got my 1st dose of Moderna in TN, then moved to TX and got my 2nd dose at a pharmacy here. In May, the county where I lived in TN called me wanting to know if I was going to schedule my 2nd shot. There is no single national / international database with all of those records for each individual.
ETA: The original shots were also not prioritized in a uniform fashion. This was also a state decision. This is part of the reason I was able to get it in TN in March. I knew I would be moving soon and TX considered Type 1 Diabetics in the "healthy" group while TN put us in the "comorbidity" group. I agreed with TN and made sure to get my first when able. I got it the same week they opened it up to residents with 1 comorbidity. I was able to schedule a 2nd dose in TX only because I had already received my 1st dose.
In my state, those records are held by our state DOH and we will be notified by our DOH when we are eligible and that record will have to be provided to the pharmacy. This is to avoid a run on vaccine and vaccine shortfalls. Our state is simply following the 8 month CDC guidance for when to send notifications. This keeps everyone in the same order as the first go around.
That's great for people who got both doses in the same state and there are consistent records. For those of us who got our 2 doses in 2 different states, the systems you described functions to prevent me from ever receiving a booster.
But since the "booster" at this point is simply a third shot, if the state thinks you've only had one, couldn't you just go get your "second shot" (which would really be your third/booster) and you would have had that booster you wanted? Seems like you'd be in an even better position being someone who still needs the second shot...Getting that 2nd shot should be a priority over getting a booster, right?6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.
I'm in Canada, as is the person you were responding too, so I was referring to the situation here. Our housing market didn't crash the same way as the US one did in 2007, due to various factors (that I won't get into due to already being wayyyy off topic for the thread.)
I do know some young people and new immigrants who have stretched themselves to buy this past year. And I will feel bad for them if they lose their homes/equity in a price drop situation. But not sure that the other scenario of the average home in my area maintaining a value of over 1M is any better. Someone is going to lose either way and it is tragic really.
I know this is off topic but it is really boggling my mind what people are disagreeing with here - can someone enlighten me. The pandemic has caused a surge in home prices here, and if they drop people who bought at the peak will lose, and if they don't drop they are unaffordable to first time buyers. So it seems like a conundrum to me where some group of people will lose. The only people who won't lose are older people like me who bought years ago and are now sitting on million dollar homes. Can someone who disagreed explain to me why it isn't lose/lose, and/or how everyone can win in this situation? I just can't wrap my mind around how it can possibly be a good thing.
(ETA It doesn't affect me - I am in my 50's and own three properties already - but I am literally hoping that my homes become worth less, and my equity decreases, if it would mean more people can afford to buy their own homes. I don't want to live in a society where the only way to own a home is the passing down of generational wealth.)
After getting a disagree on my post saying that I have vegetables rotting in my compost bin, I can't take them too seriously
But maybe people conflated several sentences and thought you were saying that it was the young people buying 1M homes and that them losing out in the future would be tragic, and the disagreers think the young people in that situation would be foolish rather than tragic. /shrug/8
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