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lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.6 -
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/delta-air-lines-unvaccinated-employees-will-face-200-fees-if-they-dont-get-covid-vaccine.html
Sounds like the freedom to not vac can cost some $2400 annually.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I'm not a big fan of queue-jumping and don't have any plans to try to do it myself, but I have a hard time getting massively upset at someone who does it, given that we have vaccines expiring in the U.S., and no apparent plans to do the thing which would be at once most humane and most productive, which is to ship extra vaccine to countries that have never had enough vaccine to get a significant percentage of the population vaccinated.
If we're just going to let vaccine expire because vax resisters won't take it, it's better that it go in somebody's arm, even if it's only providing an incremental boost in protection to someone who's already better protected than billions of people around the world.
Yeah, 100% agree. Don't know current figures on wasted vaccine, but here are some ones from earlier in the month. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/01/us/covid-us-vaccine-wasted.html1 -
https://news.yahoo.com/u-data-show-rising-breakthrough-181525317.html
Being vaccinated still gives us an edge to decrease the health care burden.
Locally death is increasing interest in getting vaccinated and of course some are glad to point out the vaccine protection is fading fast.2 -
And so it begins. Two weeks into school and my youngest came down ill on Monday and the school nurse called us to pick him up. She and we initially thought he was suffering from heat exhaustion or something as he had been at recess playing and we're having a late summer heat wave right now...to boot, they are working on the HVAC system and the classroom units have been in and out.
He came in from recess where it was around 97* into a classroom that was around 90* with no AC and started feeling ill. Not unusual for him as he is pretty heat sensitive. Tuesday he seemed a little better but still had a headache and we kept him home...by that evening he had developed congestion, runny nose, and dry cough. We scheduled him for a COVID test on Wednesday and we're waiting on results. By Wednesday evening he had developed a fever of 100.5 and was pretty out of it. Doing a bit better this morning, as fever has broken, but he's very lethargic.
Picked up my eldest from school yesterday (Wednesday) and he too had developed a scratchy throat and a bit of a cough but is otherwise seemingly fine. Out of precaution we called him out of school today and Friday and scheduled him for a COVID test this morning.
Hopefully it's all good and it's just some random bug, but my youngest has been pretty much down for a week now which is highly unusual even when he gets something pretty nasty. He seems to get over most things in a couple of days, even if he looks like he's on death's doorstep the first day.
Wife and I are so far so good...both vaccinated and feeling fine.32 -
"And so it begins," indeed. That is pretty discouraging. Pls check back and let us know how they are doing!
fwiw, our kids have each had to isolate at our house multiple times. In almost each case it was because of a known exposure or (in the early days) recent travel waiting for test results. One time one was sick, but neither had covid at our house. Isolating is a huge bummer. Our girls had school and work online so they had stuff to do (and they are older than your kids), but still it's pretty confining when all your meals are in the same room. They spent lots of time outdoors alone which helped. With the one who had a cold, we had dinner with her outside every night even though it was pretty hot here, and it was nice. They were never isolating at the same time, and they share a bathroom, so we would have to rearrange things if one was sick and needed a bathroom to herself. We put a small table outside their doors and left a huge cooler of water so they could refill their water bottles as needed. And we exchanged food/dishes there to minimize contact. We did keep them out of the kitchen.
Hope they test negative and feel better soon.9 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.
I'm in Canada, as is the person you were responding too, so I was referring to the situation here. Our housing market didn't crash the same way as the US one did in 2007, due to various factors (that I won't get into due to already being wayyyy off topic for the thread.)
I do know some young people and new immigrants who have stretched themselves to buy this past year. And I will feel bad for them if they lose their homes/equity in a price drop situation. But not sure that the other scenario of the average home in my area maintaining a value of over 1M is any better. Someone is going to lose either way and it is tragic really.3 -
Looks like antibody testing is getting more available as well, at little to no cost similar to the regular covid tests.2
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://news.yahoo.com/u-data-show-rising-breakthrough-181525317.html
Being vaccinated still gives us an edge to decrease the health care burden.
Locally death is increasing interest in getting vaccinated and of course some are glad to point out the vaccine protection is fading fast.
But that's not actually demonstrably true, as I understand it, except among immunocompromised people (who don't mount as strong an immune response to vaccines) and *possibly* among elders, especially more-frail elders, for what are believed to be similar reasons.
People who are thinking that way (your last paragraph) bought into the incorrect but common misunderstanding that vaccines are a 100% effective invisible shield against infection. They're a dramatically good (but not quite 100%) protection against *severe* infection (needing hospitalization, intubation; dying), and continue to be so for most people. But they are, and have been expected to be, a lower level of protection against milder infection.
Breakthrough infections are happening now, yes. That was expected, to some extent, by experts. It may be more likely/common with the delta variant, since it's more transmissible. (That's still not clear, IMU, because in the US at least there aren't good statistics about breakthrough infections, partly because there hasn't been priority on collecting them, partly because it's very hard to do so anyway: Vaccinated people with mild or asymptomatic cases don't realize they have a breakthrough case of Covid; some people who think they do have a breakthrough case choose not to be tested or have difficulty access a test (there was an example of this here, earlier, maybe in this thread).)
The "vaccines are 100% protection" myth was discussed at length relatively recently here, though I don't remember whether it was in this thread or one of the other Covid ones going on in debate, where someone said they thought a an injection wasn't actually even a vaccine if not 100% protective (forever, maybe, even), and that friends they had talked to had thought the same thing.9 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.
I'm in Canada, as is the person you were responding too, so I was referring to the situation here. Our housing market didn't crash the same way as the US one did in 2007, due to various factors (that I won't get into due to already being wayyyy off topic for the thread.)
I do know some young people and new immigrants who have stretched themselves to buy this past year. And I will feel bad for them if they lose their homes/equity in a price drop situation. But not sure that the other scenario of the average home in my area maintaining a value of over 1M is any better. Someone is going to lose either way and it is tragic really.
I know this is off topic but it is really boggling my mind what people are disagreeing with here - can someone enlighten me. The pandemic has caused a surge in home prices here, and if they drop people who bought at the peak will lose, and if they don't drop they are unaffordable to first time buyers. So it seems like a conundrum to me where some group of people will lose. The only people who won't lose are older people like me who bought years ago and are now sitting on million dollar homes. Can someone who disagreed explain to me why it isn't lose/lose, and/or how everyone can win in this situation? I just can't wrap my mind around how it can possibly be a good thing.
(ETA It doesn't affect me - I am in my 50's and own three properties already - but I am literally hoping that my homes become worth less, and my equity decreases, if it would mean more people can afford to buy their own homes. I don't want to live in a society where the only way to own a home is the passing down of generational wealth.)11 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »It's actually easy here in Tx to get a booster. I was just talking to one of my friends yesterday morning about it (she is immuno compromised) and got her 2nd shot in Feb I think. She was able to walk right in to the pharmacy and get her booster yesterday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if she has any reaction to the 3rd. So far all reports I have heard are just arm soreness and nothing like the 2nd shot. She got Moderna I think. (and looks like that poster was quite successful in getting the other thread shut down).
On another note maybe MORE people will be encouraged to and will be able to get the antibodies now that our Governor has made them more in the news again.
I don't think that was a "booster". I think she got a regular shot which are widely available to walk into any pharmacy and get. So she got herself a third shot, but not necessarily a "booster". Per the CDC, boosters won't be available until the fall after full FDA approval (which happened yesterday August 23). From what I've read, these won't be just walk in and get...you will get a notification that you are eligible as per the date of your 2nd shot. It will go in the same order that the original shots were prioritized.
This is per the CDC on 8/20/21...so not really sure what your friend got here...maybe it was a booster and they were just starting before the official announcement of FDA approval or something. I won't be eligible to get mine until Dec as my 2nd shot was April 2 per the CDC.
I'm not sure how those notifications will work since that data isn't always in a single place (aside from the paper vaccine card).
I got my 1st dose of Moderna in TN, then moved to TX and got my 2nd dose at a pharmacy here. In May, the county where I lived in TN called me wanting to know if I was going to schedule my 2nd shot. There is no single national / international database with all of those records for each individual.
ETA: The original shots were also not prioritized in a uniform fashion. This was also a state decision. This is part of the reason I was able to get it in TN in March. I knew I would be moving soon and TX considered Type 1 Diabetics in the "healthy" group while TN put us in the "comorbidity" group. I agreed with TN and made sure to get my first when able. I got it the same week they opened it up to residents with 1 comorbidity. I was able to schedule a 2nd dose in TX only because I had already received my 1st dose.
In my state, those records are held by our state DOH and we will be notified by our DOH when we are eligible and that record will have to be provided to the pharmacy. This is to avoid a run on vaccine and vaccine shortfalls. Our state is simply following the 8 month CDC guidance for when to send notifications. This keeps everyone in the same order as the first go around.
That's great for people who got both doses in the same state and there are consistent records. For those of us who got our 2 doses in 2 different states, the systems you described functions to prevent me from ever receiving a booster.4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »It's actually easy here in Tx to get a booster. I was just talking to one of my friends yesterday morning about it (she is immuno compromised) and got her 2nd shot in Feb I think. She was able to walk right in to the pharmacy and get her booster yesterday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if she has any reaction to the 3rd. So far all reports I have heard are just arm soreness and nothing like the 2nd shot. She got Moderna I think. (and looks like that poster was quite successful in getting the other thread shut down).
On another note maybe MORE people will be encouraged to and will be able to get the antibodies now that our Governor has made them more in the news again.
I don't think that was a "booster". I think she got a regular shot which are widely available to walk into any pharmacy and get. So she got herself a third shot, but not necessarily a "booster". Per the CDC, boosters won't be available until the fall after full FDA approval (which happened yesterday August 23). From what I've read, these won't be just walk in and get...you will get a notification that you are eligible as per the date of your 2nd shot. It will go in the same order that the original shots were prioritized.
This is per the CDC on 8/20/21...so not really sure what your friend got here...maybe it was a booster and they were just starting before the official announcement of FDA approval or something. I won't be eligible to get mine until Dec as my 2nd shot was April 2 per the CDC.
I'm not sure how those notifications will work since that data isn't always in a single place (aside from the paper vaccine card).
I got my 1st dose of Moderna in TN, then moved to TX and got my 2nd dose at a pharmacy here. In May, the county where I lived in TN called me wanting to know if I was going to schedule my 2nd shot. There is no single national / international database with all of those records for each individual.
ETA: The original shots were also not prioritized in a uniform fashion. This was also a state decision. This is part of the reason I was able to get it in TN in March. I knew I would be moving soon and TX considered Type 1 Diabetics in the "healthy" group while TN put us in the "comorbidity" group. I agreed with TN and made sure to get my first when able. I got it the same week they opened it up to residents with 1 comorbidity. I was able to schedule a 2nd dose in TX only because I had already received my 1st dose.
In my state, those records are held by our state DOH and we will be notified by our DOH when we are eligible and that record will have to be provided to the pharmacy. This is to avoid a run on vaccine and vaccine shortfalls. Our state is simply following the 8 month CDC guidance for when to send notifications. This keeps everyone in the same order as the first go around.
That's great for people who got both doses in the same state and there are consistent records. For those of us who got our 2 doses in 2 different states, the systems you described functions to prevent me from ever receiving a booster.
But since the "booster" at this point is simply a third shot, if the state thinks you've only had one, couldn't you just go get your "second shot" (which would really be your third/booster) and you would have had that booster you wanted? Seems like you'd be in an even better position being someone who still needs the second shot...Getting that 2nd shot should be a priority over getting a booster, right?6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.
I'm in Canada, as is the person you were responding too, so I was referring to the situation here. Our housing market didn't crash the same way as the US one did in 2007, due to various factors (that I won't get into due to already being wayyyy off topic for the thread.)
I do know some young people and new immigrants who have stretched themselves to buy this past year. And I will feel bad for them if they lose their homes/equity in a price drop situation. But not sure that the other scenario of the average home in my area maintaining a value of over 1M is any better. Someone is going to lose either way and it is tragic really.
I know this is off topic but it is really boggling my mind what people are disagreeing with here - can someone enlighten me. The pandemic has caused a surge in home prices here, and if they drop people who bought at the peak will lose, and if they don't drop they are unaffordable to first time buyers. So it seems like a conundrum to me where some group of people will lose. The only people who won't lose are older people like me who bought years ago and are now sitting on million dollar homes. Can someone who disagreed explain to me why it isn't lose/lose, and/or how everyone can win in this situation? I just can't wrap my mind around how it can possibly be a good thing.
(ETA It doesn't affect me - I am in my 50's and own three properties already - but I am literally hoping that my homes become worth less, and my equity decreases, if it would mean more people can afford to buy their own homes. I don't want to live in a society where the only way to own a home is the passing down of generational wealth.)
After getting a disagree on my post saying that I have vegetables rotting in my compost bin, I can't take them too seriously
But maybe people conflated several sentences and thought you were saying that it was the young people buying 1M homes and that them losing out in the future would be tragic, and the disagreers think the young people in that situation would be foolish rather than tragic. /shrug/8 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »It's actually easy here in Tx to get a booster. I was just talking to one of my friends yesterday morning about it (she is immuno compromised) and got her 2nd shot in Feb I think. She was able to walk right in to the pharmacy and get her booster yesterday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if she has any reaction to the 3rd. So far all reports I have heard are just arm soreness and nothing like the 2nd shot. She got Moderna I think. (and looks like that poster was quite successful in getting the other thread shut down).
On another note maybe MORE people will be encouraged to and will be able to get the antibodies now that our Governor has made them more in the news again.
I don't think that was a "booster". I think she got a regular shot which are widely available to walk into any pharmacy and get. So she got herself a third shot, but not necessarily a "booster". Per the CDC, boosters won't be available until the fall after full FDA approval (which happened yesterday August 23). From what I've read, these won't be just walk in and get...you will get a notification that you are eligible as per the date of your 2nd shot. It will go in the same order that the original shots were prioritized.
This is per the CDC on 8/20/21...so not really sure what your friend got here...maybe it was a booster and they were just starting before the official announcement of FDA approval or something. I won't be eligible to get mine until Dec as my 2nd shot was April 2 per the CDC.
I'm not sure how those notifications will work since that data isn't always in a single place (aside from the paper vaccine card).
I got my 1st dose of Moderna in TN, then moved to TX and got my 2nd dose at a pharmacy here. In May, the county where I lived in TN called me wanting to know if I was going to schedule my 2nd shot. There is no single national / international database with all of those records for each individual.
ETA: The original shots were also not prioritized in a uniform fashion. This was also a state decision. This is part of the reason I was able to get it in TN in March. I knew I would be moving soon and TX considered Type 1 Diabetics in the "healthy" group while TN put us in the "comorbidity" group. I agreed with TN and made sure to get my first when able. I got it the same week they opened it up to residents with 1 comorbidity. I was able to schedule a 2nd dose in TX only because I had already received my 1st dose.
In my state, those records are held by our state DOH and we will be notified by our DOH when we are eligible and that record will have to be provided to the pharmacy. This is to avoid a run on vaccine and vaccine shortfalls. Our state is simply following the 8 month CDC guidance for when to send notifications. This keeps everyone in the same order as the first go around.
That's great for people who got both doses in the same state and there are consistent records. For those of us who got our 2 doses in 2 different states, the systems you described functions to prevent me from ever receiving a booster.
But since the "booster" at this point is simply a third shot, if the state thinks you've only had one, couldn't you just go get your "second shot" (which would really be your third/booster) and you would have had that booster you wanted? Seems like you'd be in an even better position being someone who still needs the second shot...Getting that 2nd shot should be a priority over getting a booster, right?
Good question. When the state of TN called me wondering why I didn't get my 2nd shot, I told them I got it in another state. I'm not sure how they marked that down. I'm not sure that the state of TX tracked mine at all because I didn't enter my information online until I got to the pharmacy website to schedule it.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.
I'm in Canada, as is the person you were responding too, so I was referring to the situation here. Our housing market didn't crash the same way as the US one did in 2007, due to various factors (that I won't get into due to already being wayyyy off topic for the thread.)
I do know some young people and new immigrants who have stretched themselves to buy this past year. And I will feel bad for them if they lose their homes/equity in a price drop situation. But not sure that the other scenario of the average home in my area maintaining a value of over 1M is any better. Someone is going to lose either way and it is tragic really.
I know this is off topic but it is really boggling my mind what people are disagreeing with here - can someone enlighten me. The pandemic has caused a surge in home prices here, and if they drop people who bought at the peak will lose, and if they don't drop they are unaffordable to first time buyers. So it seems like a conundrum to me where some group of people will lose. The only people who won't lose are older people like me who bought years ago and are now sitting on million dollar homes. Can someone who disagreed explain to me why it isn't lose/lose, and/or how everyone can win in this situation? I just can't wrap my mind around how it can possibly be a good thing.
(ETA It doesn't affect me - I am in my 50's and own three properties already - but I am literally hoping that my homes become worth less, and my equity decreases, if it would mean more people can afford to buy their own homes. I don't want to live in a society where the only way to own a home is the passing down of generational wealth.)
After getting a disagree on my post saying that I have vegetables rotting in my compost bin, I can't take them too seriously
But maybe people conflated several sentences and thought you were saying that it was the young people buying 1M homes and that them losing out in the future would be tragic, and the disagreers think the young people in that situation would be foolish rather than tragic. /shrug/
Maybe - but that kind of reinforces my point because you can't really get a house here for under 1M. Maybe people are thinking that when I refer to a million dollar home I am talking about a mansion or something - when in reality a regular cookie cutter subdivision home that isn't anything special costs that here.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.
I'm in Canada, as is the person you were responding too, so I was referring to the situation here. Our housing market didn't crash the same way as the US one did in 2007, due to various factors (that I won't get into due to already being wayyyy off topic for the thread.)
I do know some young people and new immigrants who have stretched themselves to buy this past year. And I will feel bad for them if they lose their homes/equity in a price drop situation. But not sure that the other scenario of the average home in my area maintaining a value of over 1M is any better. Someone is going to lose either way and it is tragic really.
I know this is off topic but it is really boggling my mind what people are disagreeing with here - can someone enlighten me. The pandemic has caused a surge in home prices here, and if they drop people who bought at the peak will lose, and if they don't drop they are unaffordable to first time buyers. So it seems like a conundrum to me where some group of people will lose. The only people who won't lose are older people like me who bought years ago and are now sitting on million dollar homes. Can someone who disagreed explain to me why it isn't lose/lose, and/or how everyone can win in this situation? I just can't wrap my mind around how it can possibly be a good thing.
(ETA It doesn't affect me - I am in my 50's and own three properties already - but I am literally hoping that my homes become worth less, and my equity decreases, if it would mean more people can afford to buy their own homes. I don't want to live in a society where the only way to own a home is the passing down of generational wealth.)
Well, it wasn't me. All I did in this subthread was make a joke a la "welcome to my life" and then have to explain when someone made a thing about it that I wasn't talking specific housing prices in 2004 but the general housing market in my country at that time.
Housing markets are cyclical. Hot markets recur. It's difficult for people who have just reached the point of thinking that they should be able to purchase their first home to have the patience needed or to downgrade their expectations.
I bought my first home in a hot market. I got outbid -- sometimes massively outbid -- about a dozen times making offers that mostly were just slightly over list price, always at a price on which I knew I could afford the monthly payments without stretching myself so tight that I was one unexpected furnace or car problem away from financial disaster. That meant that I was generally bidding on smaller houses, older houses, houses that had been ill-cared for, houses in neighborhoods that for whatever reason a lot of other buyers weren't that interested in (poorer-performing schools, proximity to mixed or commercial zoning, etc.) ... I finally found one that had been on the market for three weeks without selling, which was like six months in a "normal" market, I think mainly because it only had two real bedrooms (there was a third tiny "bedroom" that didn't have a closet, so I don't think legally in my jurisdiction it was a bedroom), although it had a _lot_ of other problems, too. Anyway, nobody else was bidding, and I was able to get it for about 3% under the asking price.6 -
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kshama2001 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
It's the same thing at my end of the province. I have several friends whose kids are trying to buy first homes and even the starter/fixer-upper houses are going for crazy ridiculous prices.
Welcome to 2004.
Not sure where you are but housing is much worse here now than in 2004. Average house price in Ontario has tripled since then, wages have increased maybe 60%.
Despite the fact that I have a ton of equity in the homes I own I hope that prices drop. I want my city to be livable for young people and new immigrants to be able to afford their own homes, not just us older folks sitting on millions of dollars of real estate at their expense. I don't know what is going to happen but the inequity in that is frightening to me.
My point is that in 2004 (and some period around that -- I think it lasted until 2007) in most of the U.S., homes routinely were selling in the first day they were listed with multiple offers significantly above asking. And you could have done the same look-back comparison at that time showing housing prices had increased several multiples over what wages had increased since some year 15 to 20 years back.
Skip forward to 2008-2010 and prices had plummeted and people were losing their homes because they had bought with ARMS or balloon mortgages and they had negative equity (aka they were "upside down"). So if this is a bubble, which it certainly looks like, you'll get your wish and prices will drop and you can then feel sorry for all the young people and new immigrants who stretched themselves too far to buy now.
I'm in Canada, as is the person you were responding too, so I was referring to the situation here. Our housing market didn't crash the same way as the US one did in 2007, due to various factors (that I won't get into due to already being wayyyy off topic for the thread.)
I do know some young people and new immigrants who have stretched themselves to buy this past year. And I will feel bad for them if they lose their homes/equity in a price drop situation. But not sure that the other scenario of the average home in my area maintaining a value of over 1M is any better. Someone is going to lose either way and it is tragic really.
I know this is off topic but it is really boggling my mind what people are disagreeing with here - can someone enlighten me. The pandemic has caused a surge in home prices here, and if they drop people who bought at the peak will lose, and if they don't drop they are unaffordable to first time buyers. So it seems like a conundrum to me where some group of people will lose. The only people who won't lose are older people like me who bought years ago and are now sitting on million dollar homes. Can someone who disagreed explain to me why it isn't lose/lose, and/or how everyone can win in this situation? I just can't wrap my mind around how it can possibly be a good thing.
(ETA It doesn't affect me - I am in my 50's and own three properties already - but I am literally hoping that my homes become worth less, and my equity decreases, if it would mean more people can afford to buy their own homes. I don't want to live in a society where the only way to own a home is the passing down of generational wealth.)
After getting a disagree on my post saying that I have vegetables rotting in my compost bin, I can't take them too seriously
But maybe people conflated several sentences and thought you were saying that it was the young people buying 1M homes and that them losing out in the future would be tragic, and the disagreers think the young people in that situation would be foolish rather than tragic. /shrug/
Maybe - but that kind of reinforces my point because you can't really get a house here for under 1M. Maybe people are thinking that when I refer to a million dollar home I am talking about a mansion or something - when in reality a regular cookie cutter subdivision home that isn't anything special costs that here.
I didn't notice the prior post and certainly did not disagree, but based on a Canadian to American conversion apparently $1m C is about $787K, US, and there are definitely cities (not mine, yet) where you can't get a house (at least not in a safe area) for less here (and it's a basic home). Of course, also in the US you can find houses for way less, including huge fancy ones in different locations, and I would guess that's the same in Canada. In Chicago, it's highly dependent on neighborhood or (for metro area) suburb, but most big cities these days are more across the board gentrified than we are -- you can buy cheap here if you are willing to live in a super dangerous area or buy something old and non renovated (although land price is the limit on th latter), but of course most not already from those areas are not willing to buy in dangerous areas.
Here (which is again one of the cheaper housing markets for a major US city (maybe Houston too), housing prices are highly variable by location -- if that's not so for Toronto I wonder if what is classed as Toronto vs burb is as sprawling as here or if Toronto proper is much more limited in size and dense, so more like our closer into downtown areas. Here, much in the city (including where I live) is kind of like a burb in terms of time to downtown. Closer into downtown is a different story price wise -- in the area I used to live (in a condo) it would be about double $1 m C for a house without severe reno needs, and that wasn't even near downtown. Also, a normal lot in Chi is only 125x25 ft (I'm in a farther away from the city area and still my lot is only 125x30 ft) -- is that the same as what you are talking about?
Anyway, bad housing prices are well known in parts of the US (I'd say the big east coast cities and west coast cities are the worst).
Re covid bubble, we had a huge one this spring and early summer but it seems to have gone away. It might still be going strong in some areas, of course -- higher priced cities and areas where city dwellers may be relocating/getting second homes.
So, uh, covid -- I am at this point all in favor of vax mandates by employers and passports for businesses.6 -
kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Here's my 5 min on mfp today. Was listening to the radio this AM while walking the cats. This particular show host is fully against vaccines which has caused me to limit whether I bother to listen to him. This AM he was recounting which catagories of people are most avoiding vaccinations. He mentioned the usual list of ethnicities and the like, but then he added that PhD's are highly avoiding vaccination (I do remember seeing such a headline but did not bothered to read). He was touting it like that was a more relevant point than I personally would give it credit to be. He continued on saying how all these "highly educated" people are avoiding the vaccine and that that should be indicative to us, the listeners. My thought is that that point might be more valuable if they were MD or select PhD with a pertinent knowledge base that were avoiding the vaccines. IMM does a PhD in dramaturgy really have greater insights into vaccine safety than a general population individual? Those are my thoughts for the day, and I found it annoying that the talk show host thinks we are too stupid to not see the flaw in his argument.
Back to cleaning and packing the house........
I'm resting from packing myself (we are moving in a few months - you?) and was able to verify the hesitancy among PhD's but have not been able to find more details. When it says "by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group" I don't know if that means among education only or among all groups.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html
...The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a PhD); by May PhD’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Black people and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than white people in May.
@kshama2001 I will be honest, as I said I saw a headline mentioning PhD's but I have no idea what source. I was on my computer, but have no further details as I did not open the article. My reason for bringing it all up is that I just found the claim made by the talk show host to be self serving for his show. Lots of people make convenient statements hoping no one will look at the quality of the data behind it. In this case stating "PhD's......" like every PhD is better informed about COVID than other people, or any topic for that matter. In contrast, there are many well informed people here in this group (note that I am not including myself in this list) and I bet they do not all have "phD's". Hope my point is making sense.....
Thanks for the article. If I were to poll within my own family, every PhD is vaccinated (along with all the MD). The primary vaccine refusers in my family are two with chiropractic degrees and a wife of one. There are two others, but they did have COVID and claim they are delaying their vaccine. Not sure where to rank them.
Moving? Passing papers on a down sizing townhouse this friday. Have had painters and contractors in my house 6 days a week from July 12 -Aug 15. Packing, decluttering, giving away and dumping. We hand house to real estate for listing the Friday after. I have since said that for the time, I am just going to die in my house. At the moment it sounds preferable.....
@SModa61: Hopefully this move is my last move and I will die there, as did my grandfather, and as is the plan for my mother.
On the plus side, our soon-to-be-former house was only on the market for FOUR DAYS before we accepted a very good offer. 63% of the people who saw it put in offers, all over ask.
The pandemic has made the real estate market insane where I am, like the list price tells you nothing about how much something will sell for, you are basically bidding blind.
I tried to buy a property last week, bid 20% over asking, and wasn't even close (it sold for almost 70% over asking). Twelve offers so I knew it would go over, but no idea it would be that much.
This was the same in the spring and early summer here. My sister was trying to buy but just waited it out. Everything in her desired price range went in less than 48 hours. Things have slowed down a bunch here, as she has an accepted offer now which IMO is a bit too high (but worth it for how perfect it is for her) and a bit less than asking. Not sure how rational it is, but in early summer the Zillow estimate for my house (which I bought in early 2019) was $250K over my purchase price and now it's down to $100K over (this area is "gentrifying" some meaning people are buying workers cottages and replacing them with newly built huge fancy stuff (basically a McMansion that must fit on 125x30 with a little yard and garage, but also still has a bunch of reno'd original places, not very reno'd original places, and rentals, and is still pretty mixed income-wise).2
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