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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »You can argue that McDonald's (only my example) is trying to sell people what they want.... But I think we've reached a point where they are not so concerned about selling people what they want as much as they are trying to sell what McDonald's has to offer...
But the way marketers these days push anything is just appalling... I see a VW commercial the other day that told a story of an old woman who recently lost her husband who wanted to travel across country, so the family hops in their VW and sets off talking about how they wish the grandfather was there... Tears and all...
What in the world does someone losing their patriarch have to do with VW... I was just disgusted by the marketing and psychological warfare I felt waged against me for the sake of selling a freaking VW... They must think I'm pretty stupid to try and sell me a VW in a manner that has nothing to do with their vehicles...
I know that was a bit of topic but I had to get that out...
Back to McDonald's, now I'm not saying don't ever eat McDonald's again... But don't make McDonald's a habit, because they want you there everyday.
Most retailers of any kind want you passing through the doors as often as possible.
When we had a local farmstand, I was there just about every day to get the freshest produce possible.
Is wanting frequent custom somehow supposed to be seen as a bad thing if you're a retailer? It seems to me that's rather the point of having a business.9 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.9 -
mommarnurse wrote: »I think I really like cake and well-made burgers.
I thought this thread was about unpopular opinions?
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.5 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
I've always held the unpopular opinion that we talk about food in general way too much on this site. Lots of times someone mentions something that I then can't get out of my head, like a music ear worm does. I've had to learn to accept that people talk about food and figure out how to tune it out. It's just like real life up in here.
I quit drinking alcohol a few years ago and went through the same emotional thing with it.
Somewhere along the line I figured out that not everything is about me. 20 -
cmriverside wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
I've always held the unpopular opinion that we talk about food in general way too much on this site. Lots of times someone mentions something that I then can't get out of my head, like a music ear worm does. I've had to learn to accept that people talk about food and figure out how to tune it out. It's just like real life up in here.
I quit drinking alcohol a few years ago and went through the same emotional thing with it.
Somewhere along the line I figured out that not everything is about me.
I completely agree with this2 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
If you are 5ft 3 44-year-old woman who is 124 lbs overweight, trying to lose 1 lbs per week, running a 500-calorie daily deficit, and eating 1710 calories a day after eating who knows how many for years, it's heartening to know that you can enjoy the foods you love, while in a deficit, without 'cheating' or going off the rails. Sure, you may not be able to enjoy them in the portions you used to, but you can still have them on occasion and continue to lose weight.
Not everyone enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site is fit, yet. But a lot of us are getting there.28 -
I don't get the argument here. No one is blaming people for being fat. Stuff happens. But at the same time, no one on earth actually thinks fast good is "healthy" or "low cal" when they go and order a bacon cheeseburger with fries. They're well aware of what they're doing. So? That's not the fault of Fast Food tricking anyone. They have made countless changes over the years from including apples and juice in Kid's Meals instead of fries and soda... to putting calories right on the food menu... to having $1 options (smaller portions, more choices, less money) etc etc. Most in response to customer demand.
They're serving what people want (or at least settle for). And people choose to buy it. No one is a victim there.
*Christ, the holier-than-thous would cry if they saw my diary today. Cereal for breakfast, diet Pepsi for lunch, different cereal for dinner, then huge bowl of ice cream with milk for snack. I guess I'm a victim of the Dairy industry? I don't get it.*13 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »People at the farmer's market don't care about your health either. All they care about is making a living. So don't give into this and stop handing money to those who want to take it.
B...but the lady at the farmer's market was just so sweet and nice! She MUST care!
although she became less than nice when I asked her to give me some apples for free.
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jseams1234 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Okaaaay, let's try this...
True or False...
The world is round...
In fact, it's an oblate spheroid fat in the middle due to centripetal or centrifugal force
That kind of describes me at the moment....
You made me spit coffee on my monitor! 2 -
If it upsets you that McDonalds only cares about shareholders you can relieve this stress buy buying shares in the company.
#ProbelmSolved25 -
WendyLeigh1119 wrote: »I don't get the argument here. No one is blaming people for being fat. Stuff happens. But at the same time, no one on earth actually thinks fast good is "healthy" or "low cal" when they go and order a bacon cheeseburger with fries. They're well aware of what they're doing. So? That's not the fault of Fast Food tricking anyone. They have made countless changes over the years from including apples and juice in Kid's Meals instead of fries and soda... to putting calories right on the food menu... to having $1 options (smaller portions, more choices, less money) etc etc. Most in response to customer demand.
They're serving what people want (or at least settle for). And people choose to buy it. No one is a victim there.
*Christ, the holier-than-thous would cry if they saw my diary today. Cereal for breakfast, diet Pepsi for lunch, different cereal for dinner, then huge bowl of ice cream with milk for snack. I guess I'm a victim of the Dairy industry? I don't get it.*
Yea, but the food kabal wants you fat and dead...don't let the calorie counts and healthy options trick you..4 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »The McD's on the Hawaiian offers spam for breakfast along with eggs and rice. They mostly definitely have their consumers in mind. And it was good!
The ones down South serve Grits for breakfast... So yummy.
I love grits. I'm not sure I trust McD's to make decent grits.2 -
SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »All our bodies are so different, the truth is no one really knows what works or how it works, but everyone who's read the latest article is an expert... (rolls eyes)
Our bodies are remarkably similar. We know quite a lot about what works and how it works for the important aspects.
Our behaviors are very different; however. Despite this simple fact many get lost obsessing on the insignificant issues and lose the larger picture. There is easy money to be made convincing people otherwise - 20 B in the US alone.
Not so, truth is we really have no idea...
Anything you can find a study for, low carb, cico, veganism, high protein, low fat, gluten free, organic, hiit, steady state... Whatever
I bet you can find a study that provides evidence to the contrary, and an army of people who believe the opposite...
I've found that many of today's know-it-alls, will claim something totally different when the next trend comes along
... only if your definition of "study" is extremely loose.
The one truth and constant is that large food manufacturers and the fast food industry doesn't give a damn about you...
I understand that their a business and responsible to their shareholders blah blah blah...
But that's exactly the point, they only care about the profit and not for your health
That is a sweeping generalization that I don't believe applies to every large food manufacturer or fast food company.
On an unrelated note - I've been totally craving a McGriddle the last couple of days!
No, you are completely wrong, and people do need to get this right. That they are responsible to shareholders first actually applies to every large food manufacturer and fast food company. In fact its written in their rules of corporate governance. Profit and interests of the shareholders is ALWAYS above "caring for your health". However, some may have good marketing departments which make it seem untrue to those uninformed possibly. And many have goals which can sometimes coincide with consumer health. But it is not the primary goal.
I'm actually not sure how this has to be explained to people still?
Yep, shareholders. And you know what's the best way to make money? Sell people what they've demonstrated they actually want.
When I took graduate-level marketing classes, they made it pretty clear that the formula is to figure out what people really, really want - not what they say they want, not what they think they ought to want.
Then you provide what the people (en masse) want, but you advertise it as being what they think they ought to want. Voila: Crispy chicken salad! Natural! With Newman's Own reduced-calorie dressing, aura of charitable generosity included!
It is not their job to attend to our well-being. They're not our mommy or daddy. It's our job to figure out what we want, and buy it, thus voting with our dollars for more of that.
If we wanted and bought organic gluten-free roasted brussels sprouts in environmentally-friendly single-serve shelf-stable packaging, they'd be falling all over themselves to sell them to us . . . better, cheaper, and faster.
Now I've got a Spice Girls song in my head...thanks for that... 4 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »The McD's on the Hawaiian offers spam for breakfast along with eggs and rice. They mostly definitely have their consumers in mind. And it was good!
The ones down South serve Grits for breakfast... So yummy.
I love grits. I'm not sure I trust McD's to make decent grits.
They do.1 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
The people here enjoying fries and donuts are as often as not, not particularly fit (may be working on it) and still losing. That's why. Amazing to think you don't have to turn into an ascetic to reach your goals.
Besides. People like to talk about things they enjoy. Food is a general focus here for obvious reasons.7 -
@abetterme9366 has a great blog this very topic. Contact her for the link.0
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Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.8 -
Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.11
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Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person.
It might be, it might not be. There are as many people who go through their diets, see sensible ways to cut calories, and find it not that hard. And there are clearly lots of people who decide they can only eat "healthy" foods and then struggle to reach 1200.
I lost 95 lbs and did not find eating at a 1000 cal deficit for a while required "scratching and clawing." (I also did not eat a diet filled with junk food when getting fat, never really ate fast food, and find some of the assumptions about how fat people must eat annoying. Of course, I ate too much.)That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
I think a lot of people think losing the weight would be too difficult and not worth the sacrifice because they imagine it will require a year or two of nothing but starving on chicken breast and broccoli or else a permanent diet where they must eat only foods that they don't particularly enjoy.
Understanding that (1) you can lose weight without being always hungry and eating delicious foods (and here I include learning to cook a healthy diet that is also tasty to you, if this is a skill you lack -- one reason it was easier for me is that I knew how to cook and enjoyed it); and (2) that you don't have to become a person who never eats pizza or cookies or fast food, if you enjoy those things. I was extremely restrictive for a while when I first started (although at least my food was varied and good and to my taste -- like I said, I liked to cook, and I also have always enjoyed vegetables). Despite that, realizing I was cutting too low (without counting I was eating around 1000 cal, since I was being nuts in overcutting starches and fat) and also realizing I could include some more indulgent foods (and that if I exercised I could reasonably eat around 1600 and lose -- and that was losing 2 lb/week) is what I attribute to me being able to enjoy it and keep it up for a year+ and to happily transition to maintenance. Finding ways to fit in my love of Indian foods, as mentioned, and eating out regularly (not fast food, but the calories are still high) and having some ice cream is part of this.2 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.
Lol I love when people try and dictate how you should post. Gtfoh.
Nothing wrong with talking about food on a fitness/calorie counting site.1 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.
Me too. It definitely helps to be very active and have a TDEE of 2500 calories or so.
For example: although I got well over 100 g of protein and 12 servings of fruit and veg yesterday, the biggest food event for me was going to the midway for our city's big festival and sharing a freakin' delicious elephant ear with my kids. But, it would be pretty silly to assume I had a bad diet because the event I chose to talk about (if I happened to want to share, which I normally don't) was the elephant ear, and not the apple or carrots or the lean proteins, or even the pretty boring "fair food" I had for dinner: pulled pork, corn on the cob, and smashed red potatoes.
Personally, I love hearing about my friends enjoying something particularly delicious, whether it's a beer, a home-made pie, marmalade made from scratch, or some awesome vegan dish even at the times when I was restricting or struggling to resist temptation back when I was in the losing weight phase. I learned how to make a treat or two fit, or how to resist them when they didn't fit. To me, food is a joy, whether it is the first cucumber I pulled off the vine in my garden yesterday, the tomatoes I have been watching grow for weeks (c'mon!!!) or a splurge with my children at a fair that comes to town once a year.7 -
StealthHealth wrote: »Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.
Is it wrong that I see this as a challenge?!
(Yeah, so today's lunch was boring dry chicken and some protein yogurt, and dinner will probably be totally unexciting, because I *kitten* wanted that latte and iced Belgian bun for breakfast... And I don't like vegetables all that much, so...)
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.
Lol I love when people try and dictate how you should post. Gtfoh.
Nothing wrong with talking about food on a fitness/calorie counting site.
As you dictate how I should post by saying "Gtfoh" concerning something I posted...
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Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
i actually haven't had fries in a really long time, but they're delicious and i'll eat them again one day when the opportunity presents itself, i just don't think that eating at a deficit or an overall healthy diet is one that has to exclude french fries. and that IS the glorious part of mfp.
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Bry_Lander wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.
Lol I love when people try and dictate how you should post. Gtfoh.
Nothing wrong with talking about food on a fitness/calorie counting site.
As you dictate how I should post by saying "Gtfoh" concerning something I posted...
No one was talking to you.. It's not all about you.8 -
I really dislike the term "fast food". I know it's been called that forever but to me it's a bit of a misnomer.
I mean if I can make a sandwich at home in 1 min did I just serve myself "fast food"? There's a couple diners around here that have lunch specials, so they have most of it ready to go. So if I'm served the roast beef, potatoes and green beans in under a few mins is that fast food? SMH
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.
Lol I love when people try and dictate how you should post. Gtfoh.
Nothing wrong with talking about food on a fitness/calorie counting site.
As you dictate how I should post by saying "Gtfoh" concerning something I posted...
No one was talking to you.. It's not all about you.
My mistake...0 -
I'd rather see someone posting about how they're fitting in and enjoying burgers, beer, fries, chocolate, donuts etc etc than someone constantly beating themselves up about "cheating" or eating really unhealthy or OMG I caved and had a slice of pizza. I see the latter way too much in my newsfeed. That's not a healthy relationship with what boils down to fuel that pretty much always has some nutritional value, even if it is largely calories.
Spending my life feeling guilty because one day I just felt like 5 donuts was the best use of 1000 is no life. (I totally didn't this two days ago. Nope. Not me. That was not me you saw in the carpark of the supermarket eating one of those said donuts. Nuh uh.)33 -
StealthHealth wrote: »Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.
One might wish there were some friendly tool, maybe available on the internet or on mobile devices, that would provide its users the means to do this.29
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