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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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I would have to draw a venn diagram of pasta and noodles.
I wouldn't consider all noodles to be pasta, and I would consider all pasta to be noodles.0 -
magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Texas Chili competitions, the only ones that matter, will disqualify you for putting beans in a stew and calling it chili.
I really don't care what the yankees up in Ohio do with their stews.
IT'S NOT STEW! Ground beef does not a stew make.We have a restaurant locally called "Real Chili" and you can get your chili either over noodles (macaroni, not spaghetti), potatoes, or neither. Greasy spoon and a great place to stop after bar time.
Again, noodles are not pasta, noodles are Asian, pasta is Italian and chili shouldn't be served with either. I'll let the potatoes pass.
Around here, "noodles" is an all-encompassing term and includes Asian noodles, pasta, egg noodles, Spaetzle, etc.
And was the cause of much confusion in my adolescent mind when watching US TV shows (mostly Friends TBH) when lasagne is being made but noodles being references. SO confused.
I grew up in a small town with heavy German/Northern European influence so "noodles" usually meant wide egg noodles. As my horizons expanded, so did the things that were included as noodles. We made lasagna with lasagna noodles that were pasta. We made macaroni and cheese with noodles that were pasta. Many made schnitzel with a side of noodles that were Spaetzel.
That seems very convoluted. Macaroni/lasagne sheets etc would be types/shapes of pasta. Now you're all throwing extraneous words into the mix.
It's interesting that moving beyond a European grounding (where pasta is from) caused the calling of pasta to morph into noodles.
Yup, it is convoluted but we all know what we are talking about. Kind of like the areas where someone asks for a "coke" and needs to specify if it is a Coke, Sprite, Dr. Pepper, etc.
Might be the large number of Northern Europeans (German, Scandinavian, Polish, etc) who settled all over the area as opposed to southern Europe (Italy) who settled mostly in the one large city we have. As many say "all pasta is noodles, but not all noodles are pasta"
It's interesting how the same immigrant population cause different language variations. Obviously in the UK we have all kinds of Europeans living here. But that's not an evolution we have. Funny thing to me is how many fish 'n chip shops are owned by Italians though!
Weighing in as the son of Italian immigrants, it is all pasta by definition. The cut of pasta is the difference. While made the same, noodles are a northern European thing.
What's the difference between pasta and noodles, besides geography?
All pasta is noodles, but not all noodles are pasta.
Still doesn't answer my question.
for me pasta is made from specific ingrediants...usually contains wheat...
Noodles can be rice noodles...but not rice pasta....*scratches head*
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VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Texas Chili competitions, the only ones that matter, will disqualify you for putting beans in a stew and calling it chili.
I really don't care what the yankees up in Ohio do with their stews.
IT'S NOT STEW! Ground beef does not a stew make.We have a restaurant locally called "Real Chili" and you can get your chili either over noodles (macaroni, not spaghetti), potatoes, or neither. Greasy spoon and a great place to stop after bar time.
Again, noodles are not pasta, noodles are Asian, pasta is Italian and chili shouldn't be served with either. I'll let the potatoes pass.
Around here, "noodles" is an all-encompassing term and includes Asian noodles, pasta, egg noodles, Spaetzle, etc.
And was the cause of much confusion in my adolescent mind when watching US TV shows (mostly Friends TBH) when lasagne is being made but noodles being references. SO confused.
I grew up in a small town with heavy German/Northern European influence so "noodles" usually meant wide egg noodles. As my horizons expanded, so did the things that were included as noodles. We made lasagna with lasagna noodles that were pasta. We made macaroni and cheese with noodles that were pasta. Many made schnitzel with a side of noodles that were Spaetzel.
That seems very convoluted. Macaroni/lasagne sheets etc would be types/shapes of pasta. Now you're all throwing extraneous words into the mix.
It's interesting that moving beyond a European grounding (where pasta is from) caused the calling of pasta to morph into noodles.
Yup, it is convoluted but we all know what we are talking about. Kind of like the areas where someone asks for a "coke" and needs to specify if it is a Coke, Sprite, Dr. Pepper, etc.
Might be the large number of Northern Europeans (German, Scandinavian, Polish, etc) who settled all over the area as opposed to southern Europe (Italy) who settled mostly in the one large city we have. As many say "all pasta is noodles, but not all noodles are pasta"
It's interesting how the same immigrant population cause different language variations. Obviously in the UK we have all kinds of Europeans living here. But that's not an evolution we have. Funny thing to me is how many fish 'n chip shops are owned by Italians though!
Weighing in as the son of Italian immigrants, it is all pasta by definition. The cut of pasta is the difference. While made the same, noodles are a northern European thing.
Yes we call all pasta of all shapes pasta.
Noodles though I call Asian not northern European?
I can see that too. I think of noodles more as German Egg Noodles or Spaetzle.0 -
magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Texas Chili competitions, the only ones that matter, will disqualify you for putting beans in a stew and calling it chili.
I really don't care what the yankees up in Ohio do with their stews.
IT'S NOT STEW! Ground beef does not a stew make.We have a restaurant locally called "Real Chili" and you can get your chili either over noodles (macaroni, not spaghetti), potatoes, or neither. Greasy spoon and a great place to stop after bar time.
Again, noodles are not pasta, noodles are Asian, pasta is Italian and chili shouldn't be served with either. I'll let the potatoes pass.
Around here, "noodles" is an all-encompassing term and includes Asian noodles, pasta, egg noodles, Spaetzle, etc.
And was the cause of much confusion in my adolescent mind when watching US TV shows (mostly Friends TBH) when lasagne is being made but noodles being references. SO confused.
I grew up in a small town with heavy German/Northern European influence so "noodles" usually meant wide egg noodles. As my horizons expanded, so did the things that were included as noodles. We made lasagna with lasagna noodles that were pasta. We made macaroni and cheese with noodles that were pasta. Many made schnitzel with a side of noodles that were Spaetzel.
That seems very convoluted. Macaroni/lasagne sheets etc would be types/shapes of pasta. Now you're all throwing extraneous words into the mix.
It's interesting that moving beyond a European grounding (where pasta is from) caused the calling of pasta to morph into noodles.
Yup, it is convoluted but we all know what we are talking about. Kind of like the areas where someone asks for a "coke" and needs to specify if it is a Coke, Sprite, Dr. Pepper, etc.
Might be the large number of Northern Europeans (German, Scandinavian, Polish, etc) who settled all over the area as opposed to southern Europe (Italy) who settled mostly in the one large city we have. As many say "all pasta is noodles, but not all noodles are pasta"
It's interesting how the same immigrant population cause different language variations. Obviously in the UK we have all kinds of Europeans living here. But that's not an evolution we have. Funny thing to me is how many fish 'n chip shops are owned by Italians though!
Weighing in as the son of Italian immigrants, it is all pasta by definition. The cut of pasta is the difference. While made the same, noodles are a northern European thing.
What's the difference between pasta and noodles, besides geography?
All pasta is noodles, but not all noodles are pasta.
Still doesn't answer my question.
Best I can do. You know it when you see it.
More seriously, around here, noodles are usually flat and rectangular, and can vary from about an inch long to a few inches (but can be different widths although wide is the most common) where pasta is shaped into specific forms depending on the use.0 -
my unpopular opinion about health is that the old fashion way works, but no one wants to do it! That is eat whole foods, mostly plants, dark greens, and other veggies, no food that comes in a box, very little starch, with lean protein, plus exercise of some type.7
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tiffanybrooks530 wrote: »my unpopular opinion about health is that the old fashion way works, but no one wants to do it! That is eat whole foods, mostly plants, dark greens, and other veggies, no food that comes in a box, very little starch, with lean protein, plus exercise of some type.
so paleo + whole grains? I'm not sure that's such an unpopular opinion.
don't most people just call that "clean eating?"0 -
tiffanybrooks530 wrote: »my unpopular opinion about health is that the old fashion way works, but no one wants to do it! That is eat whole foods, mostly plants, dark greens, and other veggies, no food that comes in a box, very little starch, with lean protein, plus exercise of some type.
I'm not arguing whether this is good or bad, but where is this the "old fashioned way"? I'm in my mid-50's and even my grandparents didn't eat that way.3 -
a bulletproof coffee for breakfast (as part of a keto or LCHF diet) is an excellent way to lose weight20
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Texas Chili competitions, the only ones that matter, will disqualify you for putting beans in a stew and calling it chili.
I really don't care what the yankees up in Ohio do with their stews.
IT'S NOT STEW! Ground beef does not a stew make.We have a restaurant locally called "Real Chili" and you can get your chili either over noodles (macaroni, not spaghetti), potatoes, or neither. Greasy spoon and a great place to stop after bar time.
Again, noodles are not pasta, noodles are Asian, pasta is Italian and chili shouldn't be served with either. I'll let the potatoes pass.
I'm not a chili expert, but isn't chili just bolognese with different spices?
More heat, no milk, plus beans and peppers.
Bolognese has milk?
You learn new things every day.
I'm no expert with meat things.
Milk or (usually) cream to enhance the richness.
But you could add some to chili for the same reason. It would also mellow the heat a little bit.
No you are just talking crazy!
Chemically it's pretty much the same thing as putting cheese in the chili. Taste-wise it's something else. Personally I prefer to add a tablespoon or two of cocoa powder, skip the cheese, and crumble in cornbread.
I don't dislike cheese on chili but I don't put it in there. And always as a garnish only, sprinkled on top of a bowl of chili. Never in the pot.
Chili also varies from bolognese in that it doesn't have to include ground beef and may include other types of meat besides beef.
I've made bolognese with ground lamb, ground turkey, ground chicken, and sky bison, although the birds taste a bit different.
I've made chili with lamb, bison, pork, elk, and turkey. The turkey chili always seems like its missing a little something; I think the other meats just add some gaminess (and definitely some fat) that turkey can't.
But is it truly bolognese without beef? I mean people make pizza without dough but technically it's not pizza.
I think the only thing really required in chili is, well, chilis.
Chilis and cumin. Chili powder is nothing more than ground ancho chili, cumin, Mexican oregano, and garlic. Other ingredients can be included, but this is the basic.
Interesting. So when we dry chilis from our garden and grind them, that's not chili powder because we didn't add cumin?
Yup, that is ground chili pepper, not chili powder.
It's powdered chilis but not chili powder. I'm still calling it chili powder. Google says I can.
You missed the edit. Google is NOT the best source for this information. The food industry, especially the spice merchants, make a distinction.
If I grind my dried chilis into a powder I'm still calling it chili powder.
I think the confusion is in the very similar spelling of two different things...if you are growing chiles, you grind them into a chile powder. But a chili powder is specifically for chili (or related dish), of course one key ingredient of chili powder is chile powder.
I think you are wrong here. Look "chili" up in the dictionary. It's a hot pepper. Chile is just another spelling for chili.
You're right, they are completely interchangeable, with chili first. So why does something like "ancho chili pepper" look so weird to me, as opposed to "ancho chile pepper." Weird. Anyway, I asked Dr. Google, and he said that it's another great topic for debate, ha ha! : http://articles.latimes.com/2000/nov/19/local/me-54396
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NickleArse wrote: »a bulletproof coffee for breakfast (as part of a keto or LCHF diet) is an excellent way to lose weight
whats the point of adding butter to the coffee? seems like unnecessary calories to me. coffee is just fine as-is.4 -
Anyone got a good American chili recipe? I think I'm gonna order some ancho chili, lol.0
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stevencloser wrote: »Anyone got a good American chili recipe? I think I'm gonna order some ancho chili, lol.
Make sure you don't get the recipe from anyone from Texas. They forget to add the beans to theirs.16 -
stevencloser wrote: »Anyone got a good American chili recipe? I think I'm gonna order some ancho chili, lol.
this is a really good one, and appropriately complex to make
http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/food/recipes/a6171/texas-chili-recipe-ll-1208/
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NickleArse wrote: »a bulletproof coffee for breakfast (as part of a keto or LCHF diet) is an excellent way to lose weight
How exactly...?2 -
Just to add to the pasta discussion. I come from a small neighborhood in Queens, from parents who came from very limited food backgrounds and never had money to eat out. This would be our family definitions, I'm really sure not the same outside the family.
Spaghetti - just spaghetti
Macaroni - elbow macaroni, bow tie macaroni, corkscrew macaroni etc. (always specifically by shape). Except shells, which were just shells.
Noodles - lasagna, chicken noodle soup and Chinese
Pasta (never heard this until we moved to CA) - became bucket term for everything not noodles.
I'll save the "kidney bean stuff" that eventually morphed into "sweet chili" for another time...0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »@piperdown44I should tell my co-workers that I'm entering the chili contest with a chili made of fruit and seeds and record their reactions.
If it has beans it's not chili. It's stew.
If it doesn't have beans it's not chili, it's hot dog or pasta sauce.
Texas chili has no beans in it.
Texans do it wrong.
This is the unpopular opinions thread. I personally don't discriminate against any chili.
Neither do I. I love hot dog chili too.
Me too, I put both kinds on my hot dogs.
Have you had Cincinnati style?
Is that with cinnamon?
Or nutmeg, depending on which restaurant you go to.
It's not an overwhelming flavor. Just a hint.
The key to good Cincy chili is the texture.
Some guy at a local chili cookoff made Cincinnati chili with cinnamon once. No idea how authentic it was, but I thought it was pretty good. I can't say I remember the texture at all. It was several years ago. He didn't win.
He wouldn't, I think. Most people seem to prefer eating things that taste the same way that particular dish has always tasted in their world.
This is the whole basis of the regional chili wars.1 -
stevencloser wrote: »Anyone got a good American chili recipe? I think I'm gonna order some ancho chili, lol.
this is a really good one, and appropriately complex to make
http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/food/recipes/a6171/texas-chili-recipe-ll-1208/
Lots of stuff there I can't get and don't know how to substitute unfortunately.0 -
I should clarify all of this by saying I don't buy Asprey's proprietary ingredients to make my BP coffee, it's jsut espresso, butter and coconut oil
whats the point of adding butter to the coffee? seems like unnecessary calories to me. coffee is just fine as-is.
I've done keto diet with and without bullet proof coffee, I get a lot less of the negative side effects of keto when I consume BP coffee
How exactly...?
helps me hit super low calories (on keto) whilst still feeling super energetic3 -
NickleArse wrote: »a bulletproof coffee for breakfast (as part of a keto or LCHF diet) is an excellent way to lose weight
How exactly...?
'Cause its gross, and you will lose your appetite..11 -
French_Peasant wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I did not know people felt so passionately about beans in chili (or lack thereof). But whatever your preference at no point can you call it a stew. Or soup. WTF is that about!? And serving it with spaghetti? You over the ponders are a weird lot.
As a Brit who experiences no regional variations of chili beyond are you fancy and put a bit of dark chocolate in and puts beans in if I have them and considers chili to be about the flavour more than anything (so I'm also cool with vegi varieties) I find this whole conversation entertaining. We probably break all kinds of rules though as it's most often served with rice here. Or loaded nachos.
I am partial to a chili cheese dog when on your fine shores though.
You just need to come back to the U.S. and go on a Chili Trail Pilgrimage. Or, better yet, a BBQ Trail Pilgrimage, if you want to see a real smackdown.
For the record, although I happily eat any and all chili and BBQ, I favor a Virginia vinegar sauce over ribs or pulled pork (brisket is way down the list) and I will kick anyone's butt in a chili cook-off with my white chicken chili. The secret ingredient? Evil.
No smackdown. KC BBQ is the best, end of story.
Oh, and chili always have beans. Texans don't know what they're talking about.
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NickleArse wrote: »I should clarify all of this by saying I don't buy Asprey's proprietary ingredients to make my BP coffee, it's jsut espresso, butter and coconut oil
whats the point of adding butter to the coffee? seems like unnecessary calories to me. coffee is just fine as-is.
I've done keto diet with and without bullet proof coffee, I get a lot less of the negative side effects of keto when I consume BP coffee
How exactly...?
helps me hit super low calories (on keto) whilst still feeling super energetic
Bulletproof coffee helped you keep your calories low?1 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Anyone got a good American chili recipe? I think I'm gonna order some ancho chili, lol.
this is a really good one, and appropriately complex to make
http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/food/recipes/a6171/texas-chili-recipe-ll-1208/
Lots of stuff there I can't get and don't know how to substitute unfortunately.
This is the one I have used that has beer and chocolate in it: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/beer-chili-chocolate-the-end-come-and-get-it-98477866295.html. Nothing too crazy for ingredients other than the Mexican beer (which is a malty lager) and the corn flour.0 -
French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I did not know people felt so passionately about beans in chili (or lack thereof). But whatever your preference at no point can you call it a stew. Or soup. WTF is that about!? And serving it with spaghetti? You over the ponders are a weird lot.
As a Brit who experiences no regional variations of chili beyond are you fancy and put a bit of dark chocolate in and puts beans in if I have them and considers chili to be about the flavour more than anything (so I'm also cool with vegi varieties) I find this whole conversation entertaining. We probably break all kinds of rules though as it's most often served with rice here. Or loaded nachos.
I am partial to a chili cheese dog when on your fine shores though.
You just need to come back to the U.S. and go on a Chili Trail Pilgrimage. Or, better yet, a BBQ Trail Pilgrimage, if you want to see a real smackdown.
For the record, although I happily eat any and all chili and BBQ, I favor a Virginia vinegar sauce over ribs or pulled pork (brisket is way down the list) and I will kick anyone's butt in a chili cook-off with my white chicken chili. The secret ingredient? Evil.
I am so on board with a BBQ Trail Pilgrimage.
One of these years, I am going to drive down Highway 61 from St. Louis to New Orleans, and I am going to eat all of the BBQ and listen to all the Delta Blues.
We need to get all the Midwesterners together for a road trip.
Okay, but we all have to meet in St. Louis, not Minnesota. Delta Blues > Dylan.
Also, one of the stops has to be Lambert's Throwed Rolls Cafe in Sikeston, MO. It's not BBQ, but the local baseball team boys throw rolls at your head and expect you to catch them.
Very familiar - Originally from St. Louis and most of our family is in the greater St. Louis metro area still.
There are some amazing local pit masters cooking in the empty lots around U City & Dog Town. They cook Kansas City style which is just fantastic with the sorghum molasses base sauce you get around Southern IL & MO.
When I was in 4th grade, my grandparents moved to the Ozarks, and we would always cross the river near Cairo and then stop at Boomland (a mecca for roadside Americana back then) and Lamberts. I always felt like I was getting somewhere once we hit that red dirt.
Lamberts...home of the throwed roll!
Got me a big Lambert's travel mug when I last there about 2 months ago.
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Bulletproof coffee would not work for me, since for me (not saying for anyone else) I like to have either nothing at all for breakfast (other than black coffee) or something that includes some vegetables. I try not to have meals that involve lots of calories and no vegetables.
Also, and perhaps more importantly, I prefer black coffee, and the idea of oil and butter in coffee seems icky.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »yes. Powered chili should be pure chili pepper, dried and ground. "Chili powder" should specifically be a powder for use in the prepared dish, "chili."
and the oregano in it has to be Mexican oregano (sometimes called "wild marjoram"). Mediterranean oregano does not work with the chilis and cumin the same way.
Here we have oregano and marjoram. It is not called wild though. Would it be what you call wild?
Nope. Marjoram and Oregano are kissing cousins and are both members of the mint family. Mexican oregano (wild marjoram) is a completely different species unrelated to the mints. The botanical name is Lippia graveolens and it is actually related to verbena.
In just to thank you for going to the Latin name - the only sane way to talk about plants.
Maybe we need Latin names for stuff like pasta/noodles. 3 -
magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Texas Chili competitions, the only ones that matter, will disqualify you for putting beans in a stew and calling it chili.
I really don't care what the yankees up in Ohio do with their stews.
IT'S NOT STEW! Ground beef does not a stew make.We have a restaurant locally called "Real Chili" and you can get your chili either over noodles (macaroni, not spaghetti), potatoes, or neither. Greasy spoon and a great place to stop after bar time.
Again, noodles are not pasta, noodles are Asian, pasta is Italian and chili shouldn't be served with either. I'll let the potatoes pass.
Around here, "noodles" is an all-encompassing term and includes Asian noodles, pasta, egg noodles, Spaetzle, etc.
And was the cause of much confusion in my adolescent mind when watching US TV shows (mostly Friends TBH) when lasagne is being made but noodles being references. SO confused.
I grew up in a small town with heavy German/Northern European influence so "noodles" usually meant wide egg noodles. As my horizons expanded, so did the things that were included as noodles. We made lasagna with lasagna noodles that were pasta. We made macaroni and cheese with noodles that were pasta. Many made schnitzel with a side of noodles that were Spaetzel.
That seems very convoluted. Macaroni/lasagne sheets etc would be types/shapes of pasta. Now you're all throwing extraneous words into the mix.
It's interesting that moving beyond a European grounding (where pasta is from) caused the calling of pasta to morph into noodles.
Yup, it is convoluted but we all know what we are talking about. Kind of like the areas where someone asks for a "coke" and needs to specify if it is a Coke, Sprite, Dr. Pepper, etc.
Might be the large number of Northern Europeans (German, Scandinavian, Polish, etc) who settled all over the area as opposed to southern Europe (Italy) who settled mostly in the one large city we have. As many say "all pasta is noodles, but not all noodles are pasta"
It's interesting how the same immigrant population cause different language variations. Obviously in the UK we have all kinds of Europeans living here. But that's not an evolution we have. Funny thing to me is how many fish 'n chip shops are owned by Italians though!
Weighing in as the son of Italian immigrants, it is all pasta by definition. The cut of pasta is the difference. While made the same, noodles are a northern European thing.
What's the difference between pasta and noodles, besides geography?
All pasta is noodles, but not all noodles are pasta.
Still doesn't answer my question.
Link I posted earlier.
https://www.clearspring.co.uk/blogs/news/12237057-the-difference-between-noodles-pasta0 -
NickleArse wrote: »I should clarify all of this by saying I don't buy Asprey's proprietary ingredients to make my BP coffee, it's jsut espresso, butter and coconut oil
whats the point of adding butter to the coffee? seems like unnecessary calories to me. coffee is just fine as-is.
I've done keto diet with and without bullet proof coffee, I get a lot less of the negative side effects of keto when I consume BP coffee
How exactly...?
helps me hit super low calories (on keto) whilst still feeling super energetic
Bulletproof coffee helped you keep your calories low?
I only consume 20g of fat or 180 cals
keto has been shown to decease appetite and improve satiety on low calorie diets
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25402637
and i find BP coffee allows me to more strictly adhere to low calorie diets and not suffer any keto flu or lethargy normally associated with massive calorie deficits5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Bulletproof coffee would not work for me, since for me (not saying for anyone else) I like to have either nothing at all for breakfast (other than black coffee) or something that includes some vegetables. I try not to have meals that involve lots of calories and no vegetables.
Also, and perhaps more importantly, I prefer black coffee, and the idea of oil and butter in coffee seems icky.
If I'm going to have something greasy, I want melted cheese involved.17 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Texas Chili competitions, the only ones that matter, will disqualify you for putting beans in a stew and calling it chili.
I really don't care what the yankees up in Ohio do with their stews.
IT'S NOT STEW! Ground beef does not a stew make.We have a restaurant locally called "Real Chili" and you can get your chili either over noodles (macaroni, not spaghetti), potatoes, or neither. Greasy spoon and a great place to stop after bar time.
Again, noodles are not pasta, noodles are Asian, pasta is Italian and chili shouldn't be served with either. I'll let the potatoes pass.
Around here, "noodles" is an all-encompassing term and includes Asian noodles, pasta, egg noodles, Spaetzle, etc.
And was the cause of much confusion in my adolescent mind when watching US TV shows (mostly Friends TBH) when lasagne is being made but noodles being references. SO confused.
I grew up in a small town with heavy German/Northern European influence so "noodles" usually meant wide egg noodles. As my horizons expanded, so did the things that were included as noodles. We made lasagna with lasagna noodles that were pasta. We made macaroni and cheese with noodles that were pasta. Many made schnitzel with a side of noodles that were Spaetzel.
That seems very convoluted. Macaroni/lasagne sheets etc would be types/shapes of pasta. Now you're all throwing extraneous words into the mix.
It's interesting that moving beyond a European grounding (where pasta is from) caused the calling of pasta to morph into noodles.
I actually think it's that a lot of Americans ran into noodles from a central European background first, and knew only a limited selection of pasta (which some apparently called macaroni in all forms, although we did not).
When I was growing up, you had noodles, which were egg noodles, or spaghetti, or lasagne noodles. Pasta as a general term was not used. I don't recall noodles with Chinese food from when I was young, but later had it with Japanese food (nice restaurant in town was Japanese) and then was exposed to it (late high school) in Chinese and Thai.
I now think of pasta as Italian and noodles as everything else, although I'd tend to agree that noodles is the generic.
That said, chili shouldn't be put on spaghetti, that's a weird Cincinnati thing. (Joking, mostly.)
Pretty close in the history points, for me, too (US Great Lakes region, rural). I'd add that the first people to start talking about "pasta" were perceived by some others as a little full of themselves and "fancy".3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »@piperdown44I should tell my co-workers that I'm entering the chili contest with a chili made of fruit and seeds and record their reactions.
If it has beans it's not chili. It's stew.
If it doesn't have beans it's not chili, it's hot dog or pasta sauce.
Texas chili has no beans in it.
Texans do it wrong.
This is the unpopular opinions thread. I personally don't discriminate against any chili.
Neither do I. I love hot dog chili too.
Me too, I put both kinds on my hot dogs.
Have you had Cincinnati style?
Is that with cinnamon?
Or nutmeg, depending on which restaurant you go to.
It's not an overwhelming flavor. Just a hint.
The key to good Cincy chili is the texture.
Some guy at a local chili cookoff made Cincinnati chili with cinnamon once. No idea how authentic it was, but I thought it was pretty good. I can't say I remember the texture at all. It was several years ago. He didn't win.
He wouldn't, I think. Most people seem to prefer eating things that taste the same way that particular dish has always tasted in their world.
This is the whole basis of the regional chili wars.
I suppose that's true. Chili is serious business to some people. There was hate mail, calls for impeachment and lawsuits filed when the annual chili cookoff banned the use of meats that had not been USDA inspected.2
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