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Some Doctors say regular soap is as good or better than hand sanitizer.
Powder y liquid bleach same thing both are good.
I been making dishes based on stuff we need to use up or hate first with stuff we like on the side. Figure that way got more food end up with better y better meals lol . I’m still watching calories to exercising not letting this crazy pandemic make me loose my weight loss progress !!
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snickerscharlie wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .
I just got my pneumococcal vaccine injection at my check-up last month. Would this be of benefit to you? Here in Canada, it's recommended (and free of charge) for everyone over 65.
I don't know. I'm not quite 65, so not eligible on age basis (65 is also the age here), and the maybe-COPD diagnosis is very recent. I'm asymptomatic, and it's a result from just one non-contrast CT scan, so while plausible (social history, etc.), I don't consider it confirmed. I haven't yet been back to primary care since the scan, but that will be soon, and then I'll see what's recommended. I appreciate you mentioning this, because I'm not sure I would've thought to ask.
I'm truly not worried: Like I said, asymptomatic, and I regard myself as an endurance athlete still (though no longer competing). My cardio-pulmonary systems are in pretty darned good shape, especially for 64, in terms of objective performance metrics. Also, worry is a pointless waste of time and energy, not to mention a downer.
But it is ironic, the timing vis a vis coronavirus spread. 🙄4 -
@cmriverside
Lol! this is the truth...you start thinking about this stuff. Am I the only one that goes to the store, grabs a plastic bag to add some produce and can't open the dang bag with out .....yep.....licking my fingers? I sat there last night for 3 minutes struggling to do this to buy some broccolli.
But then got a reality check. The guy next to me was with a grocery delivery service. He was struggling to do the same but when I noticed that he had prostheses for both legs and one hand, I felt pretty crappy. Covid 19 sucks but there are lot of other things in the world that suck too.
Decided I needed to edit this:
What I meant to convey was that the gentleman with the prosthetic legs and hand was not complaining and I realized that I had no excuses to complain about the struggle with opening plastic bags. It didn't quite come across that way so hopefully this clarifies it. He was amazingly calm and I was being stupid. Nuff said.
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Is there a mandatory quarantine in place for those that test positive? A friend I trust just shared an experience I find hard to believe.
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In case you're not too sick of the media coverage or anything having to do with Coronavirus, I found this daily newsletter via email with links to some interesting articles, stats, etc. You can decide with you like the sources.
https://cronyclecovid19.substack.com/p/covid-19-080320-fasten-your-seatbelts?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0OTU5MjIwLCJwb3N0X2lkIjozMDc2NTMsIl8iOiJkVjBRUSIsImlhdCI6MTU4Mzg2MzE5NywiZXhwIjoxNTgzODY2Nzk3LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzE3ODAiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.xP1JsCKxxaewS1dOH_WSLBcSfoXT_iOr25qgjNye4tA
To address the "contagiousness" question, I found this to be interesting: (from https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-symptoms-start-about-five-days-after-infection-new-research-finds-11583784452).
I don't subscribe to the WSJ but basically it explains why 14 days self-quarantining if exposed makes sense. The first symptoms have appeared in most within 5 days and 98% within 11-12 days of exposure.
"“early and potentially highly efficient transmission of the virus occurs before clinical symptoms or in conjunction with the very first mild symptoms.” Michael Osterholm, Head of Cidrap
COVID19 peak shedding is 1,000 times that of SARS shedding likely explaining its higher spread (114,000 versus 8,000 cases for the SARS epidemic)1 -
@cmriverside
Lol! this is the truth...you start thinking about this stuff. Am I the only one that goes to the store, grabs a plastic bag to add some produce and can't open the dang bag with out .....yep.....licking my fingers? I sat there last night for 3 minutes struggling to do this to buy some broccolli.
But then got a reality check. The guy next to me was with a grocery delivery service. He was struggling to do the same but when I noticed that he had prostheses for both legs and one hand, I felt pretty crappy. Covid 19 sucks but there are lot of other things in the world that suck too.
Decided I needed to edit this:
What I meant to convey was that the gentleman with the prosthetic legs and hand was not complaining and I realized that I had no excuses to complain about the struggle with opening plastic bags. It didn't quite come across that way so hopefully this clarifies it. He was amazingly calm and I was being stupid. Nuff said.
I understood what you meant
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kshama2001 wrote: »
I don't want to be the fear-mongering person spreading unsubstantiated rumors... just curious for myself.0 -
Is there a mandatory quarantine in place for those that test positive? A friend I trust just shared an experience I find hard to believe.
There's a mandatory quarantine for the Grand Princess cruise ship passengers who have NOT tested positive:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/california-cruise-ship-coronavirus.html
...What began as a 15-day cruise to Hawaii has become an ordeal that will now last roughly a month; passengers like the Lawsons, who were not among the 21 people aboard who tested positive for the virus, won’t be returning home once they disembark sometime in the next couple of days.
While those confirmed to have the virus were to be put in “proper isolation,” according to Vice President Mike Pence, other passengers will be whisked to military bases, where they were set to wait out 14-day quarantines.3 -
In the Seattle area you are advised to self antiquarian. ((?)) quarantine
But it is backed up with legal ramifications if you don't - such as Cease and Desist orders. King County bought a hotel to use for quarantines.
There is that story of the guy who took his kid to the dance after his study-abroad other daughter was confirmed positive with COVID 19 and the family was told to self-quarantine and he didn't. The police got involved. (Not in Washington...someone posted about it on this thread a few pages back.)4 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories
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I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married.
The at-home stuff...I'm making changes as I go. What does he do about bread bags?
Open the bag while hands are still unwashed. Wash hands. Carefully reach inside (perhaps tongs would be helpful? ) and remove bread. Close bag and rewash hands before proceeding with food preparation (assuming any other required containers have already been procured and opened).
I'm starting to feel like I'm the one who's crazy!
ha ha I love him.
I'm toying with the idea of just putting brand new bread in a tupperware type thing or a large ziplock - why not both? Every time the bread bag touches the counter, you've got a problem. God only knows how many hands touched it between the bakery and me.
Same with bananas.
Egg cartons. Oh, wait! *runs to look for that Dollar Store plastic egg holder thingy that I put away.*
I mean, everything in my refrigerator and cupboards are potentially a problem.
cmriverside--I can't tell if you're kidding or not. We have a family of 5--I can't tell you how many times one or two of us has been sick (cold, influenza, stomach bug, etc) and no one else in the house gets it. And I mean, I'll clean surfaces if one of us is sick, but do you really think everything stays pristine and germ-free with 3 kids? The (normal) immune system is amazing, and really does protect us from germs for the most part. I heard something way back, that indicated that if you took away the solid objects from the earth that we can see, and you could only see microbes, there would still be the 3D appearance of every solid object, due to the bacteria and virus particles on them. Everything has tons of germs, but that doesn't mean you'll definitely get sick from them.
I will agree that during these times, and many would argue in the winter in general, that it's best practice to wash hands and stay back from people in public. But to try to avoid so many surfaces and objects in my own home...just no. I personally can't live like that. Maybe if I was in the over 60 crowd I would think differently about it, but still, I can't wash my hands that many times and/or worry about the things brought into my home. And no, I'm not saying I'm laid back about it because I'm not over 60--my parents are flying here to visit this week, and believe me, I'm mindful of not spreading this (or flu) to those who are more susceptible.
I do understand that some have OCD about germs, and no way of speaking rationally will change their minds. That's a whole different thing (like my irrational fear of flying!).3 -
@cmriverside
Lol! this is the truth...you start thinking about this stuff. Am I the only one that goes to the store, grabs a plastic bag to add some produce and can't open the dang bag with out .....yep.....licking my fingers? I sat there last night for 3 minutes struggling to do this to buy some broccolli.
But then got a reality check. The guy next to me was with a grocery delivery service. He was struggling to do the same but when I noticed that he had prostheses for both legs and one hand, I felt pretty crappy. Covid 19 sucks but there are lot of other things in the world that suck too.
Decided I needed to edit this:
What I meant to convey was that the gentleman with the prosthetic legs and hand was not complaining and I realized that I had no excuses to complain about the struggle with opening plastic bags. It didn't quite come across that way so hopefully this clarifies it. He was amazingly calm and I was being stupid. Nuff said.
I understood, your post.
If you're also purchasing something that causes condensation, just swipe a finger against the moisture 1st & then use it, to open the bag.5 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Sorry, I don't want to highten anxiety. I've seen the steps a country goes through to arrive where we are (Italy) and I'm seeing people with comments that are where I was 3 weeks ago. We only had a few cases, they were whisked off into quarantine, everything was under control---until it wasn't. Overnight an explosion of cases in the North, a week later it's an emergency, and now lockdown. I'm not a panicker, I just do what I have to do day by day. The problem is going to be if someone is infected in our building or family. Then it's strict quarantine with no going out. Each step will be dealt with as it comes. I just want everyone to realize that it is not a hoax, it's serious and it's better to be prepared psychologically. Don't go to crowded places, wash your hands often, and don't travel. Just my 2 cents. Stay safe everyone--I want to see your posts in the future.
I really appreciate the real life experience from someone there.4 -
Think the new cautious 60 rule is because their coming in contact with folks older 60’s range y up. More likely to be caring for elderly siblings to parents.
Pristine house with 1 kid even is impossible. My son at 2yrs old (a week ago this happened) he licked every disposable plate.Shooed him away he came back counted started licking the plate he was at before (regrettably taught him to count to 20 lol 😂). He turned 3yrs old yesterday just saw him licking the window. He came up eating a tater tot he hid somewhere but I have no clue where! (Under the couch 🛋? In a toy 🧸? Only God knows where it has been since dinner yesterday to 2pm today!) .
He wiped his nose 👃 on his teddy bear 🧸. So had to wash it again.
I find my own self with Mom habits having to rein them in! The spit cleaning the face type habits lol 😂. I see where this can spread quickly as my baby walks up says share sticks his gooey hands with a cracker into my mouth 👄.1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
The packaging on stuff - yogurt, eggs, bread, pasta, rice, oatmeal. The skins of fresh fruits and vegetables.
My husband is a huge germaphobe, and has driven me crazy over the years with his habit of rewashing his hands after he opens a package before actually getting anything out of it, also "quarantining" food containers he brings home that he has handled at work until they can be washed. He also never takes any food provided for employees in the break room, unless he has seen it arrive and no one has touched/coughed on it yet. I used to make fun of him, but now not so much. He has a high-risk condition (asthma) and works at a business that sells/repairs semis, where lots of truckers of questionable hygiene from all over the country visit each day (believe me, he has some stories ).
I like your husband. Please have him email me his Excel sheet with his list of procedures.
I know a couple (and mind you, he has a complex system that he has been working on for 35 years). He has trained himself to maintain one hand in a clean condition and use the other hand for potentially contaminated surfaces during meals. In restaurants, he only drinks out of glasses with a straw, since the glass itself was touched by the server. He washes beverage cans. He keeps his own hand towel in the kitchen (I guess the kids and I are on our own ). Would you like more?
I know it sounds like he must have no life, but he's actually worked all of these habits into his routine so seamlessly that they are barely noticeable (unless you're me ). Not sure where they came from, as I don't recall him being like that when we were first married.
The at-home stuff...I'm making changes as I go. What does he do about bread bags?
Open the bag while hands are still unwashed. Wash hands. Carefully reach inside (perhaps tongs would be helpful? ) and remove bread. Close bag and rewash hands before proceeding with food preparation (assuming any other required containers have already been procured and opened).
I'm starting to feel like I'm the one who's crazy!
ha ha I love him.
I'm toying with the idea of just putting brand new bread in a tupperware type thing or a large ziplock - why not both? Every time the bread bag touches the counter, you've got a problem. God only knows how many hands touched it between the bakery and me.
Same with bananas.
Egg cartons. Oh, wait! *runs to look for that Dollar Store plastic egg holder thingy that I put away.*
I mean, everything in my refrigerator and cupboards are potentially a problem.
Not really. Has it been mentioned how long the virus can live on surfaces?
(I'm not the one who "disagreed" with you, BTW.)
I have a stalker in this thread.
If I said, "Sky's blue," I'd get one.
And, yeah I've posted a couple times that the best-guess is that the virus can live on surfaces for UP to nine days.
Huh... aren't most viruses 24 hours, or something?
Depends on the surface, apparently, among other things:
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-can-coronavirus-live-on-surfaces-how-to-disinfect-2020-3
Referenced study:
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext
Thank you for those links! A couple of my coworkers are in the vulnerable classification and had heard rumors that it lasts for 9 days on surfaces, so I forwarded it over to them. 0 -
@cmriverside
Lol! this is the truth...you start thinking about this stuff. Am I the only one that goes to the store, grabs a plastic bag to add some produce and can't open the dang bag with out .....yep.....licking my fingers? I sat there last night for 3 minutes struggling to do this to buy some broccolli.
But then got a reality check. The guy next to me was with a grocery delivery service. He was struggling to do the same but when I noticed that he had prostheses for both legs and one hand, I felt pretty crappy. Covid 19 sucks but there are lot of other things in the world that suck too.
In those situations I go over to the produce with the sprayers and get a little water on my hands from a wet edge of shelf.Is there a mandatory quarantine in place for those that test positive? A friend I trust just shared an experience I find hard to believe.
I read an article yesterday about a couple of people in the US breaking a household self-quarantine to go to a school dance, and now having a mandatory quarantine imposed on the entire household. I don't remember the source though, so the validity is questionable.0 -
My office is preparing people to be able to work from home in case it becomes necessary. Making everyone check VPN access, etc. The silver lining is we might get access to some office resources that we couldn't before through the VPN, since it's now a higher priority.4
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Interesting perspective - just read an article where some health professionals are suggesting healthy people in communities where there are multiple coronavirus cases should wear a mask in public. Not to protect themselves but because they're contagious before showing symptoms. A moot point if masks aren't available, but food for thought.0
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Diatonic12 wrote: »We are creatures of habit. Chewing on pencils, stirring coffee with a pencil at work, sharing the same pen at the grocery store, scratching noses, rubbing our lips with the back of our hands after shaking hands. It's a total cluster.
Okay but.. people stir their coffee with a pencil? lol!2 -
Interesting perspective - just read an article where some health professionals are suggesting healthy people in communities where there are multiple coronavirus cases should wear a mask in public. Not to protect themselves but because they're contagious before showing symptoms. A moot point if masks aren't available, but food for thought.
Well, that's essentially what all these school and business closings are about.
Keeping people who are asymptomatic but infected from being in contact with genpop as much.
Until.
We're still being told not to buy face masks because of shortages. Who knows if there even ARE shortages at this point. There has been an entire week to manufacture more. That would seem to be adequate time.
Oh yeah, supply chain.
The "advice" is all over the place, honestly.
Wash your hands.
That one seems Universal.0 -
Interesting perspective - just read an article where some health professionals are suggesting healthy people in communities where there are multiple coronavirus cases should wear a mask in public. Not to protect themselves but because they're contagious before showing symptoms. A moot point if masks aren't available, but food for thought.
Today I heard on an Italian science show some interesting information from China. Now, take this with a grain of salt, but it's a serious program. It said that the Chinese have discovered that the virus can travel much farther than they thought. A man was contagious and got on a bus, he did not have a mask. He was seated in the rear. People in the front of the bus were infected--at least 4 meters. People on the bus with masks were not infected. Surprise--after they keep telling us they're usless. The virus can live a long time on surfaces, and hot weather will not kill it off for 3 to 4 days. That's why it's such a hard nut to crack.8 -
@cmriverside
Lol! this is the truth...you start thinking about this stuff. Am I the only one that goes to the store, grabs a plastic bag to add some produce and can't open the dang bag with out .....yep.....licking my fingers? I sat there last night for 3 minutes struggling to do this to buy some broccolli.
But then got a reality check. The guy next to me was with a grocery delivery service. He was struggling to do the same but when I noticed that he had prostheses for both legs and one hand, I felt pretty crappy. Covid 19 sucks but there are lot of other things in the world that suck too.
In those situations I go over to the produce with the sprayers and get a little water on my hands from a wet edge of shelf.Is there a mandatory quarantine in place for those that test positive? A friend I trust just shared an experience I find hard to believe.
I read an article yesterday about a couple of people in the US breaking a household self-quarantine to go to a school dance, and now having a mandatory quarantine imposed on the entire household. I don't remember the source though, so the validity is questionable.
I've read it in USA today and several other publications.0 -
Is there a mandatory quarantine in place for those that test positive? A friend I trust just shared an experience I find hard to believe.
Mandatory for the cruise ship folks. Voluntary self quarantine for the most part for others unless they break that quarantine and then legal ramifications can occur, including involuntary quarantine.1 -
Maybe it's a matter of semantics, but if breaking a voluntary quarantine has legal ramifications, is it really voluntary? Or is it the difference between quarantining yourself at home versus being hauled off to serve your quarantine under strict supervision?cwolfman13 wrote: »Is there a mandatory quarantine in place for those that test positive? A friend I trust just shared an experience I find hard to believe.
Mandatory for the cruise ship folks. Voluntary self quarantine for the most part for others unless they break that quarantine and then legal ramifications can occur, including involuntary quarantine.5 -
Italy in bad shape. Over 600 dead and over 10k active cases. Hospitals stopped all operations / procedures and overflowing caring for covid patients. Bad scene! We need to be vigilant and people need to stop poo pooing claiming it's just no worse than a regular flu blah blah it is killing people globally.10
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DecadeDuchess wrote: »@cmriverside
Lol! this is the truth...you start thinking about this stuff. Am I the only one that goes to the store, grabs a plastic bag to add some produce and can't open the dang bag with out .....yep.....licking my fingers? I sat there last night for 3 minutes struggling to do this to buy some broccolli.
But then got a reality check. The guy next to me was with a grocery delivery service. He was struggling to do the same but when I noticed that he had prostheses for both legs and one hand, I felt pretty crappy. Covid 19 sucks but there are lot of other things in the world that suck too.
Decided I needed to edit this:
What I meant to convey was that the gentleman with the prosthetic legs and hand was not complaining and I realized that I had no excuses to complain about the struggle with opening plastic bags. It didn't quite come across that way so hopefully this clarifies it. He was amazingly calm and I was being stupid. Nuff said.
I understood, your post.
If you're also purchasing something that causes condensation, just swipe a finger against the moisture 1st & then use it, to open the bag.
Same. Generally there are water misters by the produce I'm buying so I use that on my hands to open those super thin produce bags.3 -
Maybe it's a matter of semantics, but if breaking a voluntary quarantine has legal ramifications, is it really voluntary? Or is it the difference between quarantining yourself at home versus being hauled off to serve your quarantine under strict supervision?cwolfman13 wrote: »Is there a mandatory quarantine in place for those that test positive? A friend I trust just shared an experience I find hard to believe.
Mandatory for the cruise ship folks. Voluntary self quarantine for the most part for others unless they break that quarantine and then legal ramifications can occur, including involuntary quarantine.
Had the same thoughts...I think it's about being in the comfort of your own home vs getting hauled off to a military base or some other facility. The CDC has pretty broad authority to invoke involuntary quarantine if they think it's warranted. I believe there is an individual in NY who is under mandatory quarantine.3 -
8 new ones in IL today (increase to 19), including the first 2 outside of Cook Co (Kane and McHenry).
In light of the talk about scammers here, I thought this was good:
"Tuesday afternoon, Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul issued a warning: Don’t fall for online scammers trying to sell “cures” or “preventatives” for COVID-19.
Essential oils will not treat coronavirus, Raoul’s statement noted. Neither will garlic, anti-malarial drugs, silver, elderberries, or chlorine dioxide (that is, bleach).
“According to the CDC, there is currently no known treatment for COVID-19. People should be aware that any email or website offering a ‘cure’ is a scam that should be avoided,” Raoul said.
Raoul encouraged anyone who receives an email touting such a “cure” to delete the email and report it to his office."4 -
So there are @ 175 cases in NY state, and more than 100 of them are in one county, centered around a town called New Rochelle. (For reference, there's only 30 odd cases in all of NYC) So the governor quarantined a "containment area" of one community in the town. Reports keep saying it's centered around a synagogue, so I'm guessing someone spread it at a weekend service. Schools and places of worship required to close, other businesses encouraged to close (though grocery stores are to stay open), events canceled for the next two weeks. They are sending the National Guard to deliver food to the sick who are quarantined at home and to sanitize public places. They said people who are not sick are not being forced to stay inside or even stay in the containment zone, but are strongly encouraged to.1
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