"You can eat whaver you want, as long as you eat at a deficit" is true, but it's garbage advice.
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i'm getting hungry for pizza now and it's all your fault!7
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »When did I say that???? What are you talking about???? In no way was my message cryptic. It was do what makes you happy. IF you think that it is because of your own insecurities.
Do what makes me happy?? You mean like literally do whatever makes me happy?!?. Well that sounds completely irresponsible and inappropriate advice. Who doesn't enjoy doing extremely dangerous and harmful things? Who doesn't enjoy eating only junk food? This is terrible advice!! Why do you hate me??
Hate is a strong word but that is what I mean. That is exactly what I mean. Do what makes you happy. If you don't know as an adult not to do something that is harmful to you, well that is one you.
Didn't the OP consider this exact thing garbage advice.... I feel like I am spinning in circles.
I think we've rounded another lap around the track on this one.4 -
I do buy pizza with packaging occasionally. And I'm also a fat person. Fat since high school, reached the obesity line by 17, and I'm part of that miserable 80% who've regained most of the weight they've lost through means totally within my control.
With that fat cred out of the way, here's the pizza I usually buy:
I add a handful of pre-cut frozen bell peppers & onions to it before I bake it and I tend to eat 3/4 or the whole pizza in one sitting (it's been a very bad day if I'm going for a frozen pizza for dinner).
Eating the whole pizza gives me 740 calories. That's about 1/3 of my maintenance calories. Hardly ridiculous for a meal. I also get 20% of my daily vitamin C RDA, 60% of my daily calcium RDA, 30% of my iron, and 16% of my vitamin A. It's a little low on fiber and protein, which I'll make up for when I eat breakfast the next day, but it's passable most of the time.
I am a fat person. I do eat whatever I want when I'm losing weight. Losing or not losing is about the mindset, the dedication, learning to deal with any food issues, and it is absolutely not about cutting out certain foods that people on the internet claim don't have enough nutrition for other people to eat.
Do I have to run all of my food choices past you or just the conventionally undiety ones?17 -
I've eaten an entire pizza exactly twice in my life. Both times were AFTER I had lost weight and was maintaining at a normal weight. One of those times was the night before setting a 1/2 marathon PR.12
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MontyMuttland wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »MontyMuttland wrote: »"For things to change, you have to change." (Jim Rohn, 1930-2009).
This is a fundamental truth and it applies to anyone trying to lose weight and keep it off every bit as much as the formula stating that to lose weight you must burn more calories every day than you consume.
I was obese for most of my adult life, a serial yo-yo dieter who would try this and that diet, lose some weight and then put it back on again plus more.
The reason I kept failing is actually very simple. I didn't change. I just did what the diets said I had to do, but they didn't teach me anything. I didn't learn any new eating habits.
And this is what the OP is getting at with his post.
If you tell an obese person they can eat what they want providing they stay under their daily calorie allocation, you are just sugar-coating the truth to make it easier to swallow.
The simple truth is, if you eat nutritionally poor foods as part of a calorie controlled eating plan, then the weight you lose won't just be fat. Sure, you will lose some fat, but some of the weight you will lose is going to be the good part of your body (your muscle tissue, your organs, your skeleton, etc).
That is the price you pay for eating nutritionally poor foods. They don't contain enough good stuff to maintain the important parts of your body.
If you are already eating less food to stay under your calorie allocation, then it's even more important than ever that the food you eat had high nutritional value - what the hell else is your body going to use to sustain itself?
So here is the real deal: if you want to lose weight and keep it off, better start learning some new eating habits.
New eating habits means making food choices that are nutrient rich.
Does it mean you can never eat another burger? Of course not, but you'd do far better learning how to make a decent burger yourself rather than eating the total non-food they serve at fast food outlets.
"For things to change, you have to change."
Embrace it, do it.
During 2016 I lost 9 stone (126lb) and now I'm happily maintaining my weight under 11stone.
I did that by changing my relationship with food and learning new eating habits.
I don't eat pizza anymore. Why? Because it's nutritionally poor food.
But I make a mean burger meal, a steak meal and a spaghetti bolognese meal all for less than 500 calories each.
I learned how to eat well whilst consuming less.
That's what this is about, and the rest can be summed up like this:
"Suck it up or stay fat!".
I don't know how things are done elsewhere but they serve food in fast food restaurants here.
How is pizza nutritionally poor? It's just bread, sauce, cheese and you can add veggies and make your own. I never understand this argument.
Agreed. My homemade pepperoni pizza has 524 cals, 51 carbs, 25 fat and 27 protein in 2 slices. I consider that a pretty good macro ratio. Add veggies to that, even better.
You both illustrate my point perfectly.
If your average pizza actually was just bread, cheese, veggies then you'd be some way to having a bit of nutrition - but they're not.
Try reading the ingredients list on some pizza packaging, you'll see the list of stuff going in them is somewhat longer. Then read the nutritional information about those pizzas and see just how "healthy" they are.
The home-made pizza does sound a ton better, specially the amount of protein there compared to ready-made ones. But I'll make a stab at two slices being what, two sixths of the pizza maybe?
I've been a fat person remember, fat people don't eat two slices of pizza, they eat whole pizzas. And so do most ordinary people as well. Do you order half pizzas or quarter pizzas in a restaurant? Nope, didn't think so.
So yeah, two-sixths of a pizza for 524 calories ain't bad, but that's knocking on the door of 1600 calories for the whole pizza.
And guess who is eating the whole pizza?
Yep, just about everyone...
Now I can throw down some food with the best of them, and I have NEVER eaten an entire pizza in one sitting. Well, maybe one of those little personal pizzas. Or split over several meals, but not in one sitting.
Also, add me to the list of people that doesn't understand the demonizing of pizza. As far as takeout food, it is not that bad?4 -
For the record, I just made chocolate chip cookie dough. I plan to freeze the dough, so I can pull out individual servings over the next six weeks. In the past, I would have baked all the cookies today and they probably would have been gone by the weekend.
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@Emily3907 Sweet Jesus you just CHANGED MY LIFE!!! I've been craving homemade peanut butter cookies for weeks and it never dawned on me that I could FREEZE THE DOUGH!!! Usually I pawn them off on coworkers but now I can keep them all for myself. GENIUS!
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But in the stomach, hydrochloric acid nullifies any preservatives action.I just want a triple whopper with bacon and cheese but I saw that video where it sat on a shelf for a long time without spoiling and the fries lasted a year without changing at all.
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I eat fast food an average of once a day. Yesterday I had a burger, chili, and fries from Wendy's (1100 calories), followed by a huge home made salad with chicken for dinner. And then I had popcorn, chocolate, strawberries and apples, and leftover Halloween candy after dinner because I was still over 500 calories under my goal for the day needed to maintain my weight.
6+ years of tracking and eating fast food regularly, 5+ years of maintaining my weight (including 2 years at my current running race weight with 10% bodyfat or lower), excellent blood work at my last physical, and blood pressure bordering on low despite averaging 5000+ mg of sodium a day. Think I'm gonna stick with what's been working.9 -
But in the stomach, hydrochloric acid nullifies any preservatives action.I just want a triple whopper with bacon and cheese but I saw that video where it sat on a shelf for a long time without spoiling and the fries lasted a year without changing at all.
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Not me, my stomach is completely chemical free!
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crooked_left_hook wrote: »For the record, I just made chocolate chip cookie dough. I plan to freeze the dough, so I can pull out individual servings over the next six weeks. In the past, I would have baked all the cookies today and they probably would have been gone by the weekend.
@Emily3907 Sweet Jesus you just CHANGED MY LIFE!!! I've been craving homemade peanut butter cookies for weeks and it never dawned on me that I could FREEZE THE DOUGH!!! Usually I pawn them off on coworkers but now I can keep them all for myself. GENIUS!
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Oh yeah it works great! I make the little scoops and flash freeze them, then put them in a gallon ziploc bag. Then I can just pull out however many cookies I want, bake them and then BAM! fresh hot from the oven cookies. It's awesome.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »MontyMuttland wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »MontyMuttland wrote: »"For things to change, you have to change." (Jim Rohn, 1930-2009).
This is a fundamental truth and it applies to anyone trying to lose weight and keep it off every bit as much as the formula stating that to lose weight you must burn more calories every day than you consume.
I was obese for most of my adult life, a serial yo-yo dieter who would try this and that diet, lose some weight and then put it back on again plus more.
The reason I kept failing is actually very simple. I didn't change. I just did what the diets said I had to do, but they didn't teach me anything. I didn't learn any new eating habits.
And this is what the OP is getting at with his post.
If you tell an obese person they can eat what they want providing they stay under their daily calorie allocation, you are just sugar-coating the truth to make it easier to swallow.
The simple truth is, if you eat nutritionally poor foods as part of a calorie controlled eating plan, then the weight you lose won't just be fat. Sure, you will lose some fat, but some of the weight you will lose is going to be the good part of your body (your muscle tissue, your organs, your skeleton, etc).
That is the price you pay for eating nutritionally poor foods. They don't contain enough good stuff to maintain the important parts of your body.
If you are already eating less food to stay under your calorie allocation, then it's even more important than ever that the food you eat had high nutritional value - what the hell else is your body going to use to sustain itself?
So here is the real deal: if you want to lose weight and keep it off, better start learning some new eating habits.
New eating habits means making food choices that are nutrient rich.
Does it mean you can never eat another burger? Of course not, but you'd do far better learning how to make a decent burger yourself rather than eating the total non-food they serve at fast food outlets.
"For things to change, you have to change."
Embrace it, do it.
During 2016 I lost 9 stone (126lb) and now I'm happily maintaining my weight under 11stone.
I did that by changing my relationship with food and learning new eating habits.
I don't eat pizza anymore. Why? Because it's nutritionally poor food.
But I make a mean burger meal, a steak meal and a spaghetti bolognese meal all for less than 500 calories each.
I learned how to eat well whilst consuming less.
That's what this is about, and the rest can be summed up like this:
"Suck it up or stay fat!".
I don't know how things are done elsewhere but they serve food in fast food restaurants here.
How is pizza nutritionally poor? It's just bread, sauce, cheese and you can add veggies and make your own. I never understand this argument.
Agreed. My homemade pepperoni pizza has 524 cals, 51 carbs, 25 fat and 27 protein in 2 slices. I consider that a pretty good macro ratio. Add veggies to that, even better.
You both illustrate my point perfectly.
If your average pizza actually was just bread, cheese, veggies then you'd be some way to having a bit of nutrition - but they're not.
Try reading the ingredients list on some pizza packaging, you'll see the list of stuff going in them is somewhat longer. Then read the nutritional information about those pizzas and see just how "healthy" they are.
The home-made pizza does sound a ton better, specially the amount of protein there compared to ready-made ones. But I'll make a stab at two slices being what, two sixths of the pizza maybe?
I've been a fat person remember, fat people don't eat two slices of pizza, they eat whole pizzas. And so do most ordinary people as well. Do you order half pizzas or quarter pizzas in a restaurant? Nope, didn't think so.
So yeah, two-sixths of a pizza for 524 calories ain't bad, but that's knocking on the door of 1600 calories for the whole pizza.
And guess who is eating the whole pizza?
Yep, just about everyone...
It may be your experience that most people are eating an entire pizza, but I'm skeptical if this is actually true. I realize it's anecdotal, but when we have pizza-based events at work, most of my co-workers seem to have 2-4 pieces.
This is my experience at work as well. And I myself rarely take more than 2 pieces at work.
But I admit I often eat a lot more pizza than that at home. And I have eaten a whole small pizza before. I still do it now that I've lost weight and I'm in maintenance. As the example above pointed out, a whole pizza is only about 1600 calories. That still leaves calories for some wine with it. ::drinker::1 -
okay, as entertaining as this is, i've had enough. i will continue to eat whatever i want and maintain my calorie deficit and thus continue to lose weight. pizza is sounding mighty good for dinner tonight, but i promise not to eat the whole thing because i don't want to throw up!!7
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »When did I say that???? What are you talking about???? In no way was my message cryptic. It was do what makes you happy. IF you think that it is because of your own insecurities.
Do what makes me happy?? You mean like literally do whatever makes me happy?!?. Well that sounds completely irresponsible and inappropriate advice. Who doesn't enjoy doing extremely dangerous and harmful things? Who doesn't enjoy eating only junk food? This is terrible advice!! Why do you hate me??
Hate is a strong word but that is what I mean. That is exactly what I mean. Do what makes you happy. If you don't know as an adult not to do something that is harmful to you, well that is one you.
Exactly. Do whatever you want. Eat whatever you want. You missed the sarcasm but maybe got the message.
Your right I missed it. All of this was way over my head. You found me out.0 -
MontyMuttland wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »MontyMuttland wrote: »"For things to change, you have to change." (Jim Rohn, 1930-2009).
This is a fundamental truth and it applies to anyone trying to lose weight and keep it off every bit as much as the formula stating that to lose weight you must burn more calories every day than you consume.
I was obese for most of my adult life, a serial yo-yo dieter who would try this and that diet, lose some weight and then put it back on again plus more.
The reason I kept failing is actually very simple. I didn't change. I just did what the diets said I had to do, but they didn't teach me anything. I didn't learn any new eating habits.
And this is what the OP is getting at with his post.
If you tell an obese person they can eat what they want providing they stay under their daily calorie allocation, you are just sugar-coating the truth to make it easier to swallow.
The simple truth is, if you eat nutritionally poor foods as part of a calorie controlled eating plan, then the weight you lose won't just be fat. Sure, you will lose some fat, but some of the weight you will lose is going to be the good part of your body (your muscle tissue, your organs, your skeleton, etc).
That is the price you pay for eating nutritionally poor foods. They don't contain enough good stuff to maintain the important parts of your body.
If you are already eating less food to stay under your calorie allocation, then it's even more important than ever that the food you eat had high nutritional value - what the hell else is your body going to use to sustain itself?
So here is the real deal: if you want to lose weight and keep it off, better start learning some new eating habits.
New eating habits means making food choices that are nutrient rich.
Does it mean you can never eat another burger? Of course not, but you'd do far better learning how to make a decent burger yourself rather than eating the total non-food they serve at fast food outlets.
"For things to change, you have to change."
Embrace it, do it.
During 2016 I lost 9 stone (126lb) and now I'm happily maintaining my weight under 11stone.
I did that by changing my relationship with food and learning new eating habits.
I don't eat pizza anymore. Why? Because it's nutritionally poor food.
But I make a mean burger meal, a steak meal and a spaghetti bolognese meal all for less than 500 calories each.
I learned how to eat well whilst consuming less.
That's what this is about, and the rest can be summed up like this:
"Suck it up or stay fat!".
I don't know how things are done elsewhere but they serve food in fast food restaurants here.
How is pizza nutritionally poor? It's just bread, sauce, cheese and you can add veggies and make your own. I never understand this argument.
Agreed. My homemade pepperoni pizza has 524 cals, 51 carbs, 25 fat and 27 protein in 2 slices. I consider that a pretty good macro ratio. Add veggies to that, even better.
You both illustrate my point perfectly.
If your average pizza actually was just bread, cheese, veggies then you'd be some way to having a bit of nutrition - but they're not.
Try reading the ingredients list on some pizza packaging, you'll see the list of stuff going in them is somewhat longer. Then read the nutritional information about those pizzas and see just how "healthy" they are.
The home-made pizza does sound a ton better, specially the amount of protein there compared to ready-made ones. But I'll make a stab at two slices being what, two sixths of the pizza maybe?
I've been a fat person remember, fat people don't eat two slices of pizza, they eat whole pizzas. And so do most ordinary people as well. Do you order half pizzas or quarter pizzas in a restaurant? Nope, didn't think so.
So yeah, two-sixths of a pizza for 524 calories ain't bad, but that's knocking on the door of 1600 calories for the whole pizza.
And guess who is eating the whole pizza?
Yep, just about everyone...
Now I can throw down some food with the best of them, and I have NEVER eaten an entire pizza in one sitting. Well, maybe one of those little personal pizzas. Or split over several meals, but not in one sitting.
Also, add me to the list of people that doesn't understand the demonizing of pizza. As far as takeout food, it is not that bad?
I've finished whole pizza's before. #noshame, but they were like under 12 inches. And after a long run, with having a massive amount of calories left for the day... no shame. Also, ever hear of Blaze Pizza? It's a fast fire chain - you can eat a whole one for less than 700 calories... no joke! (Depends on toppings)
I also don't understand demonizing pizza, besides it being calorie dense - it knocks out a lot of macros. There are worst things you can eat. Even my mom, who was a healthy nut, said pizza was good!! God bless her soul.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MontyMuttland wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »MontyMuttland wrote: »"For things to change, you have to change." (Jim Rohn, 1930-2009).
This is a fundamental truth and it applies to anyone trying to lose weight and keep it off every bit as much as the formula stating that to lose weight you must burn more calories every day than you consume.
I was obese for most of my adult life, a serial yo-yo dieter who would try this and that diet, lose some weight and then put it back on again plus more.
The reason I kept failing is actually very simple. I didn't change. I just did what the diets said I had to do, but they didn't teach me anything. I didn't learn any new eating habits.
And this is what the OP is getting at with his post.
If you tell an obese person they can eat what they want providing they stay under their daily calorie allocation, you are just sugar-coating the truth to make it easier to swallow.
The simple truth is, if you eat nutritionally poor foods as part of a calorie controlled eating plan, then the weight you lose won't just be fat. Sure, you will lose some fat, but some of the weight you will lose is going to be the good part of your body (your muscle tissue, your organs, your skeleton, etc).
That is the price you pay for eating nutritionally poor foods. They don't contain enough good stuff to maintain the important parts of your body.
If you are already eating less food to stay under your calorie allocation, then it's even more important than ever that the food you eat had high nutritional value - what the hell else is your body going to use to sustain itself?
So here is the real deal: if you want to lose weight and keep it off, better start learning some new eating habits.
New eating habits means making food choices that are nutrient rich.
Does it mean you can never eat another burger? Of course not, but you'd do far better learning how to make a decent burger yourself rather than eating the total non-food they serve at fast food outlets.
"For things to change, you have to change."
Embrace it, do it.
During 2016 I lost 9 stone (126lb) and now I'm happily maintaining my weight under 11stone.
I did that by changing my relationship with food and learning new eating habits.
I don't eat pizza anymore. Why? Because it's nutritionally poor food.
But I make a mean burger meal, a steak meal and a spaghetti bolognese meal all for less than 500 calories each.
I learned how to eat well whilst consuming less.
That's what this is about, and the rest can be summed up like this:
"Suck it up or stay fat!".
I don't know how things are done elsewhere but they serve food in fast food restaurants here.
How is pizza nutritionally poor? It's just bread, sauce, cheese and you can add veggies and make your own. I never understand this argument.
Agreed. My homemade pepperoni pizza has 524 cals, 51 carbs, 25 fat and 27 protein in 2 slices. I consider that a pretty good macro ratio. Add veggies to that, even better.
You both illustrate my point perfectly.
If your average pizza actually was just bread, cheese, veggies then you'd be some way to having a bit of nutrition - but they're not.
Try reading the ingredients list on some pizza packaging, you'll see the list of stuff going in them is somewhat longer. Then read the nutritional information about those pizzas and see just how "healthy" they are.
The home-made pizza does sound a ton better, specially the amount of protein there compared to ready-made ones. But I'll make a stab at two slices being what, two sixths of the pizza maybe?
I've been a fat person remember, fat people don't eat two slices of pizza, they eat whole pizzas. And so do most ordinary people as well. Do you order half pizzas or quarter pizzas in a restaurant? Nope, didn't think so.
So yeah, two-sixths of a pizza for 524 calories ain't bad, but that's knocking on the door of 1600 calories for the whole pizza.
And guess who is eating the whole pizza?
Yep, just about everyone...
It may be your experience that most people are eating an entire pizza, but I'm skeptical if this is actually true. I realize it's anecdotal, but when we have pizza-based events at work, most of my co-workers seem to have 2-4 pieces.
This is my experience at work as well. And I myself rarely take more than 2 pieces at work.
But I admit I often eat a lot more pizza than that at home. And I have eaten a whole small pizza before. I still do it now that I've lost weight and I'm in maintenance. As the example above pointed out, a whole pizza is only about 1600 calories. That still leaves calories for some wine with it. ::drinker::
I have had a whole small pizza the night before a long run, it's pretty common for me during marathon training season. Rather than being nutritionally poor, I have found that my pace is actually better on the days after I have pizza (that's probably just the carbohydrates, not pizza-specific elements).
I'm not arguing that *nobody* eats a whole pizza or that there is anything wrong with it (some people do, obviously). I just don't think it is what *most* people are doing (or if they are, it's a smaller pizza).5 -
Lol, an article from a white guy who probably never spent anytime in Japan! Let's see:AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
One DOESN'T have to eat clean to sustain/maintain weight once the reach goal though. I mentioned it before, but look at countries (especially in Asia) that don't have obesity issues. They don't adhere to a "clean" eating regimen. There's alot of processed foods, high carb and sodium bombs going on.
Really? I have success rates with ALL my clients and I don't preach eating "clean" at all. In fact, I do tell them to eat whatever they like AS LONG AS they don't exceed the calorie intake set for them. Do you know why people fail at diets? Because they usually are restricted from eating things they actually like. If one LEARNS how to control how much of something like eat, then the chances are higher that they will adhere to that habitual behavior.People don't want to eat 1 slice of pizza, or a 1/4 of a plate of Loco Rice, or 7 chili cheese fries. They want to have a meal. If you eat the "right amount" of junk food to stay within your calorie limits, you're going to be starving to death and it's going to cause you to eat more. Eating food that doesn't taste as good as what you want is much better than satisfying a craving and then derailing later because you were so hungry you caved. There are a few people around here who have done their time, lost their weight, and they are in good shape. These people give advice from the "look at me, I lost a ton of weight so I know what I'm doing" stand point, but seem to have forgotten what it was like to ACTUALLY live as a fat person. So when someone tells you you can have junk food, don't listen to them, not because they are lying to you - they aren't, it's true - but because the advice isn't helpful in practice.
Sorry if you can't do it, but that's an issue you deal with that you have to fix. Unless you have some actual peer reviewed clinical study that one CAN'T be taught moderation, you're just opining what you believe.
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I scratch my head when you say eat what you want.....and then show what experience you have for 30 years in nutrition.
I'm not a know it all, don't claim anything. Just kinda seemed strange, with all the bad food's out there. All the preservatives and crap they put in food now days. Maybe it's a 2 step process, lose weight by eating your favorite foods at less calories then maybe changing over to clean later on after you lose the weight.
I don't adhere to the fitness/diet industry's mantra of "clean eating" and do just fine. It's not a NEEDED ingredient to successful get in good shape and stay that way.
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This is actually false. They actually eat very clean - http://www.livestrong.com/article/316334-asian-diet-to-lose-weight
There's WHITE RICE-processed, NOODLES-processed, MISO PASTE- processed, PORK SAUSAGE- processed. I could go on and on. I've lived and visited MANY ASIAN COUNTRIES and general population eat a lot of processed foods. They just don't eat a lot. Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mI2PCp_yw
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Seemingly we have some career posters that harp on anything that they can turn into something negative.
You mean by saying something like:Op, I agree that it's garbage advice.
I mean, if you think calling other people's advice "garbage advice" isn't negative, I'd like to know why not.
I also wonder how much of this advice you've read, if you think that OP is right on. What is "garbage" about saying: "For weight loss, calories are what matter, and you can eat what you want within your calories and don't have to cut out anything you enjoy and think is worth the calories. Of course, food choice matters for health and satiety, and I always recommend eating a nutrient dense diet (and especially getting enough protein, vegetables, and healthy fats, but ultimately you can eat whatever happens to please and work for you. No special foods needed."
Cause that's the kind of advice that OP is saying is garbage.
You also say:I just had pizza for the first time in a long time and I feel like crap.
Do you have theories on why this might be? I have pizza every two weeks or so, as noted above -- I especially like getting it from a local Italian place, but also enjoy making my own, and the ingredients are basically the same as in other foods I eat more regularly: wheat, olive oil, tomatoes, other vegetables, cheese. Sometimes other things too -- I enjoy one that has an egg on it, and of course olives are a nice addition, and mushrooms, so on. None of these are foods I run into only on pizza, so not sure why pizza would make you feel bad, and wonder if it might be from telling yourself it's bad, but perhaps you are having a reaction to some ingredient.If I eat a burger, I feel like crap.
This is also puzzling. I make burgers at home often (not currently, as I'm not eating meat during Lent), and they are just ground beef (I use lean when I made them at home), whatever condiments you enjoy (I like onions and mustard, mainly, and dill pickle), maybe cheese or bacon or avocado or probably other things for the more creative, and I suppose a bun (I often skip the bun and have potatoes instead, roasted with some olive oil, but when I get a bun it's whole grain).
Are these ingredients that you have bad reactions to in other forms?If a fat happy life with all types of ailments from fatty, greasy foods is what you want, than go for it.
So you are assuming that eating what I want within my calories will involve lots of "fatty, greasy foods" (not that there's anything wrong with fat, it's not the '90s, after all) and give me ailments and make me fat? That's puzzling. But I'm glad you are against negativity!16 -
Your speech is *kitten* ... is it fine now? I lost 18 kg while eating from MAC almost daily one year ago.
You missed one important thing. Person goal. The reason I said so because as fat person I want to reduce my weight only. this is my goal what ever I do. the target is crystal clear and it is loosing weight. If it fits my calorie that's it.
Things keep changing also person goals. For beginning I want to loose weight but when I almost achieving my goal I changed to get less than 15 %body fat. And this time macro and calorie are taken place for this goal.
So it doesn't depend on food you eat, it really depends on person goal.5
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